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ICE Has a $2M Contract for Spyware That Can Hack Phones Without a Click

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Re: ICE Has a $2M Contract for Spyware That Can Hack Phones Without a Click

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Post by MrWiffles »

headsman771 wrote: post #23
exceptione wrote: post #16

> Graphite belongs to the same category of commercial surveillance technology as Pegasus, the better-known spyware developed by NSO Group. Both are classified as mercenary spyware, meaning private companies develop and sell them to government intelligence and law enforcement agencies. This buries the lede a bit. These companies play their part in trans-national organized crime networks, spanning countries like the US…

What is ICE doing besides immigration control?

Modern American version of the SS.

Re: ICE Has a $2M Contract for Spyware That Can Hack Phones Without a Click

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Post by kijashdkujdfhas »

jmyeet wrote: post #11
empath75 wrote: post #6

for people that don't understand how bad ICE is, here is a brief selection of _recent_ news about ICE, this isn't even like the product of an extensive search Ice buys shock gloves https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/a-perfect-tool-for-abuse... ICE doesn't pay hospital bills: https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/ice-detainee-me... DOJ blocked federal prosecution of ICE agent in shooting: https://www.propublic…

> ICE Deports Milo Yiannopoulos, to settle some intra-MAGA feud This is probably the one valid thing they did. He's truly vile [1]. He's also illustrative of how most undocumented people aren't "sneaking across the border" as the media claims but are simply visa overstayers. Still, Laura Loomer shouldn't have the power to advance his deportation. The story goes that he was in removal proceedings and he didn't show up…

> Still, Laura Loomer shouldn't have the power to advance his deportation.

This is a really key point. Trump operates like a mafia boss. Being in the protected class is a privilege that is fully dependent on the perception of the boss and those close to him. "For my friends everything, for my enemies the law."

It's not a good way to run a country. Did we have perfectly applied rule of law before the Trump era? No, but Trump is bringing us to new extremes of legal inequality.

Re: ICE Has a $2M Contract for Spyware That Can Hack Phones Without a Click

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Post by wang_li »

headsman771 wrote: post #23
exceptione wrote: post #16

> Graphite belongs to the same category of commercial surveillance technology as Pegasus, the better-known spyware developed by NSO Group. Both are classified as mercenary spyware, meaning private companies develop and sell them to government intelligence and law enforcement agencies. This buries the lede a bit. These companies play their part in trans-national organized crime networks, spanning countries like the US…

What is ICE doing besides immigration control?

I know you all are here getting ready for a circle jerk, however ICE stands for Immigration and Customs Enforcement. They monitor all goods and such coming and going from the country.

Re: ICE Has a $2M Contract for Spyware That Can Hack Phones Without a Click

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Post by jMyles »

empath75 wrote: post #6

for people that don't understand how bad ICE is, here is a brief selection of _recent_ news about ICE, this isn't even like the product of an extensive search Ice buys shock gloves https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/a-perfect-tool-for-abuse... ICE doesn't pay hospital bills: https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/ice-detainee-me... DOJ blocked federal prosecution of ICE agent in shooting: https://www.propublic…

Indeed. But when the rubber meets the road, even our community has trouble standing behind people taking direct action to disrupt ICE activities. eg: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48727750

Re: ICE Has a $2M Contract for Spyware That Can Hack Phones Without a Click

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

headsman771 wrote: post #23
exceptione wrote: post #16

> Graphite belongs to the same category of commercial surveillance technology as Pegasus, the better-known spyware developed by NSO Group. Both are classified as mercenary spyware, meaning private companies develop and sell them to government intelligence and law enforcement agencies. This buries the lede a bit. These companies play their part in trans-national organized crime networks, spanning countries like the US…

What is ICE doing besides immigration control?

They're suggesting[1] they'll be attempting arrests at polling locations, which due to the statistics on fraudulent votes(statistically microscopic), equates to interference and intimidation since we know ICE isn't beyond arresting US citizens to harass them. This will have a chilling effect on citizens who are remotely non-white, who may avoid voting in person due to the risks associated with interacting with the under-trained ICE forces.

Additionally, USPS's current plans[2] for purging mail-in votes will disenfranchise the other method of voting.

[1]https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/dhs-chief-says-i...

[2]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/whistleblower-postal-service-ne...

Re: ICE Has a $2M Contract for Spyware That Can Hack Phones Without a Click

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

jmyeet wrote: post #11
empath75 wrote: post #6

for people that don't understand how bad ICE is, here is a brief selection of _recent_ news about ICE, this isn't even like the product of an extensive search Ice buys shock gloves https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/a-perfect-tool-for-abuse... ICE doesn't pay hospital bills: https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/ice-detainee-me... DOJ blocked federal prosecution of ICE agent in shooting: https://www.propublic…

> ICE Deports Milo Yiannopoulos, to settle some intra-MAGA feud This is probably the one valid thing they did. He's truly vile [1]. He's also illustrative of how most undocumented people aren't "sneaking across the border" as the media claims but are simply visa overstayers. Still, Laura Loomer shouldn't have the power to advance his deportation. The story goes that he was in removal proceedings and he didn't show up…

The real terrifying aspect of this whole story has nothing to do with Milo Vs ICE.

It's the fact that these previously cartoonish figures on Twitter are now wielding some level of power.

People love to say "oh just get off those bad social medias", but that fails to recognize how there is now multiple social media sites exercising a high level of coercion and misinformation that is injecting the previously goofy "it's just online" into real life.

The white nationalism that has been boosted by Elon and co IS REAL. It will have lasting effects on every facet of our society. The people who used to be internet clowns are now deporting their enemies.

I can't emphasize this enough, this is BAD.

There is no one with any level of morals or ethics at the wheel. It makes too much money to tear apart society. You can bring up endless cliches, "mainstream media", "billionaires", "politics". But the fact is, news channels have spent endless hours covering Hassan(the twitch streamer) and avoiding actual news. Nearly every facet of society has been captured to manipulate us, and there is no good ending for any of this.

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Post by MisterTea »

exceptione wrote: post #16

> Graphite belongs to the same category of commercial surveillance technology as Pegasus, the better-known spyware developed by NSO Group. Both are classified as mercenary spyware, meaning private companies develop and sell them to government intelligence and law enforcement agencies. This buries the lede a bit. These companies play their part in trans-national organized crime networks, spanning countries like the US…

> In Russia, it is often hard to delineate between organized crime and the FSB, because these networks overlap and they are often well established within the structures of the state.

This already applies to the USA where Trump was very likely involved with the mob who were deeply embedded in the fabric of NYC. All of his NYC construction projects were pushed through and built by mobbed up companies. It's obvious he's in bed with anyone who will get him what he wants, criminal or not.

Re: ICE Has a $2M Contract for Spyware That Can Hack Phones Without a Click

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Post by tamimio »

> The most dangerous infections require no mistake by the target. A zero-click attack works because phones automatically inspect incoming messages and files before displaying them.

It’s zero click but it needs an entry point, do we know the entry point? Yes of course! It’s the phone number!! I hope now you know why they keep phone numbers as a mean of identification, all the big tech and advancement in protocols and what not, yet you are still required to have a phone number as an ID “to fight spam, spoiler: it doesn’t”, or even as a 2FA, Canada for example is making a unified login portal to its all government services and the 2FA is only a phone number, how convenient!!

Phone number is the entry point for zero click, but also for tracking you even when your gps is disabled btw, phone modems has their own gnss and they send location to the towers all the time.

To prevent that, keep the phone number in another phone, not your main (keep your main with no sim card), preferably some dummy phone that you will only use when you need to otherwise it’s on airplane mode.

Re: ICE Has a $2M Contract for Spyware That Can Hack Phones Without a Click

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Post by strictnein »

wang_li wrote: post #33
headsman771 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is ICE doing besides immigration control?

I know you all are here getting ready for a circle jerk, however ICE stands for Immigration and Customs Enforcement. They monitor all goods and such coming and going from the country.

They are also heavily involved in stopping human trafficking, preventing child exploitation, etc.

Re: ICE Has a $2M Contract for Spyware That Can Hack Phones Without a Click

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Post by edoceo »

miohtama wrote: post #12
edoceo wrote: post #4

Seems a low price for no-click zero-day infections

They reuse the same zero-days across multiple countries and agencies; Israelis are very efficient at doing business.

Ok, so they can amortize expense and scarcity. But if they are reusing exploits, why isn't WhatsApp or the phone OS patched? I'm confused how they can be known functional infections, used multiple times, and then not get checked by the vendors? Even not be thwarted by some incidental app-patch. WhatsApp and Signal must know of this, don't they have some AI tools to fuzz and fix?
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