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I Don't Think I Can Stay in Tech

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Re: I Don't Think I Can Stay in Tech

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Disagreeing with communism seems like a reasonable position to me.

As far as i know there is no threat of communism formin in US. Unlike fascism

You must have been living under a comfy rock the last few years since there are several communists - real ones, by their own say - in the running for positions in the "democratic" party. The coming elections will show whether they gain traction, if they do there is a real danger of communism forming in the USA.

As to fascism that remains to be seen. If by fascism you mean the actual meaning of the term, i.e. (section headings from Britannica [1]) Opposition to Marxism and socialism, Opposition to parliamentary democracy, Opposition to political and cultural liberalism, Totalitarian ambitions, Conservative economic programs and Corporatism I think there is some chance of this taking hold. Let's take these characteristics one at a time:

Opposition to Marxism and socialism: clearly present in the current US government, in my opinion rightly so since these ideologies have been shown to lead to disaster time and time again.

Opposition to parliamentary democracy: not present in the current US government, somewhat present in the current "democratic" party where DSA members want to radically change the way the country is governed by abolishing the Senate, abolishing the presidency, abolishing the supreme court and replace it with something resembling a politburo [2]

Opposition to political and cultural liberalism: clearly present in the current US government, to be expected given that the US two-party system largely comes down to 'political and cultural conservatism' versus 'political and cultural liberalism'

Totalitarian ambitions: some people in the current and previous US governments think and thought they could rule this way, they were and are held back by the courts and other institutions

Conservative economic programs: partly present in the current US government, to be expected given that it is part and parcel of the Republican program. Partly because a large part of the economic program (around 59% of the budget, data from 2025) consists of mandatory spending on social security (~22%), Medicare (14%), Medicaid (10%) and other mandatory programs (13%)

Corporatism (which according to Britannica means 'the theory and practice of organising society into “corporations” subordinate to the state ... workers and employers organised into industrial and professional corporations serving as organs of political representation and controlling to a large extent the persons and activities within their jurisdiction'): not present in the current US government, partly present in the "democratic" party where the DSA pushes an amalgamation of similar policies

What are your thoughts on this subject now that I made an attempt to put the term 'fascism' in its historical context?

[1] https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism

[2] https://program.dsausa.org/

Re: I Don't Think I Can Stay in Tech

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The problem in this case is a flamewar about what really is or isn't "fascist". The fact that the vast majority of people are not calling the same things fascist as OP is, tells me this seems to be a quite controversial opinion.

OP is calling blatant fascism fascism. I am utterly baffled by your position.

Sorry, but people are calling anyone who disagrees with them nazis or fascists so frequently that it is hard to take seriously anymore?

You don't agree with my exact political views?! Then you are a fascist.

Also blatant fascism? By which definition? the OP article pretty much cites a single blog post as his evidence of DHH being a fascist; but never really defines fascism.

I get it DHH is not a very likeable guy, and a bit of a prick but calling him a fascist or taking childish jabs like calling Omarchy "vibecoded scripts on top of Arch" really removes a lot of credibility

Re: I Don't Think I Can Stay in Tech

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A little bit sorta. Conservatives will come out to say that you can't force JK Rowling to be pro (or even neutral) on the trans issue. Now, they'll also say that certain people shouldn't be allowed to create. Or at the very least create based on certain properties. Which is admittedly almost a "same result, different mechanism" issue. But they will claim to allow the market decide (aka "go woke, go broke").

Conservatives have many forms of "cancel culture". They want to deport people from places they don't like (or from a race they don't like), they want to enforce Christianity in public places, they want to make being "antifa" illegal... And the ultimate form of cancel culture, conservatives (including the neo-liberal variety) will straight up murder you if you're Muslim and live in the Middle East. None of that is fre…

Bit of a strawman here, particularly the last one. Find a single US administration in recent history that hasn't killed thousands in the middle east? I'll wait.

Re: I Don't Think I Can Stay in Tech

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I'm slowly making my way out of tech and going into food preparation for the poor. I previously thought working at one of these companies to extract as much money from them as possible so that I could provide as many meals to the poor as possible using that money was the best thing to do. I'm less sure about that today. I'm sure that some of the people I work with at food banks are homophobic because they hold a part…

You can disagree with someone while still treating them the best they can. A Doctor shouldn't leave a patient mid-surgery simply because he found out he's an Anti-Vaxxer or votes a certain way. Similarly I have no doubt the Food Banks have people who hold such views. But it doesn't matter if they are still willing to give food even to homeless, possibly even homeless people who are homosexual (statistically homosexua…

A doctor refusing to heal a bigot is not even remotely the same thing as refusing to work for a megacorp because of their direct involvement in military action that kills children.

Re: I Don't Think I Can Stay in Tech

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I'm slowly making my way out of tech and going into food preparation for the poor. I previously thought working at one of these companies to extract as much money from them as possible so that I could provide as many meals to the poor as possible using that money was the best thing to do. I'm less sure about that today. I'm sure that some of the people I work with at food banks are homophobic because they hold a part…

You can disagree with someone while still treating them the best they can. A Doctor shouldn't leave a patient mid-surgery simply because he found out he's an Anti-Vaxxer or votes a certain way. Similarly I have no doubt the Food Banks have people who hold such views. But it doesn't matter if they are still willing to give food even to homeless, possibly even homeless people who are homosexual (statistically homosexua…

While the action itself maybe be positive, that does not mean the net sum of their actions is positive. It's entirely possible to earn money doing something good or neutral, only to use it in ways that cause comparatively greater harm.

> Praying for your "enemies", both real or imagined, is a tenet for Christianity.

At the same time, a lot of Christians find great satisfaction in the idea that their enemies will be damned to an eternity of suffering. Not the majority of Christians, but I'd be very surprised if it's less than 10%.

Re: I Don't Think I Can Stay in Tech

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Conservatives have many forms of "cancel culture". They want to deport people from places they don't like (or from a race they don't like), they want to enforce Christianity in public places, they want to make being "antifa" illegal... And the ultimate form of cancel culture, conservatives (including the neo-liberal variety) will straight up murder you if you're Muslim and live in the Middle East. None of that is fre…

Bit of a strawman here, particularly the last one. Find a single US administration in recent history that hasn't killed thousands in the middle east? I'll wait.

Which is why I said conservatives, including those of the neo-liberal variety.

Re: I Don't Think I Can Stay in Tech

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post #37

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The world separates cleanly into those of us who could never knowingly and freely take any money from any fascist and those who would point out the generous meal plan bestowed upon the camp guards. "Quite a bit of salary" like

I have never been in the situation of knowingly taking salary from any fascist and would never tolerate it. I've left jobs I needed over this. My "walking away" was more about wanting to work on stuff in my day job that felt somewhat more worthwhile and tangibly useful to humanity

I was working for someone who startled me with a revealed preference, and it's more common than you think. Kick the tires on any boss or employer

Re: I Don't Think I Can Stay in Tech

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You can disagree with someone while still treating them the best they can. A Doctor shouldn't leave a patient mid-surgery simply because he found out he's an Anti-Vaxxer or votes a certain way. Similarly I have no doubt the Food Banks have people who hold such views. But it doesn't matter if they are still willing to give food even to homeless, possibly even homeless people who are homosexual (statistically homosexua…

A doctor refusing to heal a bigot is not even remotely the same thing as refusing to work for a megacorp because of their direct involvement in military action that kills children.

It seems as though you're misconstruing what I said, I'm talking about the Foodbanks, not the Megacorps.

Re: I Don't Think I Can Stay in Tech

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post #85

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You can disagree with someone while still treating them the best they can. A Doctor shouldn't leave a patient mid-surgery simply because he found out he's an Anti-Vaxxer or votes a certain way. Similarly I have no doubt the Food Banks have people who hold such views. But it doesn't matter if they are still willing to give food even to homeless, possibly even homeless people who are homosexual (statistically homosexua…

While the action itself maybe be positive, that does not mean the net sum of their actions is positive. It's entirely possible to earn money doing something good or neutral, only to use it in ways that cause comparatively greater harm. > Praying for your "enemies", both real or imagined, is a tenet for Christianity. At the same time, a lot of Christians find great satisfaction in the idea that their enemies will be d…

I think Foodbanks giving food to the poor, regardless of who the poor genuinely are (arguably not caring about what they believe or vote for, but still choosing to help them), is still a net positive action.

Actions often speak louder than words.

Re: I Don't Think I Can Stay in Tech

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post #36

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One of the best freedoms out there is freedom of association. I don't need to associate with people I don't like or find distasteful. I don't need to join hands with the Tankies. I don't need to read JK Rowling's works. I get to choose. > If they're right about anything, the "anti-SJW/DEI/Woke/'politics'" groups are right in that you cannot demand creators share your values. I don't associate that claim with these gr…

A little bit sorta. Conservatives will come out to say that you can't force JK Rowling to be pro (or even neutral) on the trans issue. Now, they'll also say that certain people shouldn't be allowed to create. Or at the very least create based on certain properties. Which is admittedly almost a "same result, different mechanism" issue. But they will claim to allow the market decide (aka "go woke, go broke").

> Conservatives will come out to say that you can't force JK Rowling to be pro (or even neutral) on the trans issue.

"Come out and say" something completely uncontroversial and universally accepted?

The idea that JK Rowling could be "forced" on this is a weird one. I haven't read a ton of her critics but I've never even encountered the idea of forcing her to do that.

How would that even be possible? So strange. The conservative idea of using government force to silence people could "force her, but the critics of JK Rowling only want to flex their freedom of association, not force her.

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