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Quasar 438B: Europe's Leading AI Model

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Re: Quasar 438B: Europe's Leading AI Model

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Post by Neywiny »

ande-mnoc wrote: post #102
neya wrote: post #96

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> The company sounds like a bunch of hot air to me. When they make being from Europe their whole personality, that shows how little value there is to the actual value proposition.

I instinctively distrust any company that makes their national origin the main selling point. To me that's a subtle signal that they cannot compete on technical merit.

Same with "the original." If their only claim for why I should choose them is they got there first, maybe they should've spent that head start on being better. That said, in some industries it's advantageous to work domestic even if the product is worse. Just a risk vs reward thing

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Post by tcp_handshaker »

rayiner wrote: post #120

What will Europe do when American and Chinese AIs and robots render half of the European population obsolete? How do they come back from missing the boat on such a transformational technology? Europeans seem resigned to a future of being American and Chinese economic colonies.

Europeans will raise a wall, to keep away all Americans, uninsured, and unemployed by the US Oligarchs automation. You voted for it...two times...

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Post by kingleopold »

rayiner wrote: post #120

What will Europe do when American and Chinese AIs and robots render half of the European population obsolete? How do they come back from missing the boat on such a transformational technology? Europeans seem resigned to a future of being American and Chinese economic colonies.

go to mirror and ask, why waymo did not even eliminate all or most taxi drivers in Usa? answer is there.

Tech is real but it take decades.

Re: Quasar 438B: Europe's Leading AI Model

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Post by falsepolymath »

icepush wrote: post #108
neya wrote: post #96

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> The company sounds like a bunch of hot air to me. When they make being from Europe their whole personality, that shows how little value there is to the actual value proposition.

On the flipside imagine if Europe could be a genuinely competitive continent again. I don’t expect it to happen in my lifetime - but if it could, the benefits to the consumer would be enormous.

What would be the benefits to consumers and why would it not happen soon?

Re: Quasar 438B: Europe's Leading AI Model

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Post by verzali »

victorbjorklund wrote: post #118
ande-mnoc wrote: post #102

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I instinctively distrust any company that makes their national origin the main selling point. To me that's a subtle signal that they cannot compete on technical merit.

Lots of American companies make a thing that they are American vs Chinese companies.

There's been a whole thing recently with companies boasting about ensuring American supremacy. I assume its a play for Pentagon dollars, but it is the same kind of thing really.

Re: Quasar 438B: Europe's Leading AI Model

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Post by nicman23 »

walrus01 wrote: post #30
nicman23 wrote: post #29

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it "fits" in 64 ram with mmap. granted it runs at 15 tk/s with a 9070xt but it runs

Right, I meant "fits" in the sense of I can load the whole thing into some combination of system RAM and GPU at llama-server launch. 15 tk/s isn't useless if you can give it big tasks to do overnight, or like ask it to do something and check back 3-4 hours later.

yeah specially if you have it do some long task that also has to wait for ie compilation anyways

Re: Quasar 438B: Europe's Leading AI Model

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Post by verzali »

rayiner wrote: post #120

What will Europe do when American and Chinese AIs and robots render half of the European population obsolete? How do they come back from missing the boat on such a transformational technology? Europeans seem resigned to a future of being American and Chinese economic colonies.

Enjoy life? Seems like the Americans are going to be the ones getting the raw deal with the extreme inequality they are stumbling into.

Re: Quasar 438B: Europe's Leading AI Model

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Post by scrollaway »

ande-mnoc wrote: post #102
neya wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The company sounds like a bunch of hot air to me. When they make being from Europe their whole personality, that shows how little value there is to the actual value proposition.

I instinctively distrust any company that makes their national origin the main selling point. To me that's a subtle signal that they cannot compete on technical merit.

Or, it's a signal that you're not giving your data/money to an untrusted ally.

Do you even understand just how much Europe distrusts the US with its current administration at this point? Nobody wants to deal with US companies if they can.

Re: Quasar 438B: Europe's Leading AI Model

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Post by rayiner »

verzali wrote: post #127
rayiner wrote: post #120

What will Europe do when American and Chinese AIs and robots render half of the European population obsolete? How do they come back from missing the boat on such a transformational technology? Europeans seem resigned to a future of being American and Chinese economic colonies.

Enjoy life? Seems like the Americans are going to be the ones getting the raw deal with the extreme inequality they are stumbling into.

It will be more like India under the East India Company. European economies will pay a tax to America or China for AI and robotics technology unavailable at home. Remember, the British didn’t “loot” India in the sense of walking out the door with rupees. They halted India’s economic progress by preventing access to revolutionary industrial technology without going through British companies. Indians grew cotton, but if they wanted manufactured textiles they had to export to cotton to Britain and by back the finished goods from British companies. Europeans will find themselves in the same place with AI and robotics.

And yeah, India had very low income inequality back then. It still does! It has a Gini coefficient of 25.5, making it the fourth most equal country in the world.

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