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Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?
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Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?
#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
I also pay for duck.ai's service. They're my main "chat bot" thing, and while I had already been paying for their other services when I discovered I also had a duck.ai subscription, I choose to use them primarily because privacy is their whole brand. I only have two minor complainst: I want my conversations to sync between mobile and desktop (while being E2E), and I want a way to organize conversations into "projects…
Have you tried Lumo by Proton? It is E2EE and has projects. A bit more expensive than duck.ai but I found the model to be good enough
How could a cloud LLM be E2EE?
Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?
#223Context: After careful research our organization preferred a European partner with good central privacy controls. We landed on Mistral, after being disappointed that the Pro tier was opt-in to training on prompts by default we switched up to the Team tier which provides an organization dashboard with some relevant settings. As we did that Mistral changed these options and the Team tier was now also opt-in by default…
> and at the same time seemed to have lost the ability to centrally disable training on prompts for your entire organization There is a toggle on https://admin.mistral.ai that allows you to disable training for both Vibe and Console/API for your entire organisation. And I'm not on the enterprise plan. I've disabled training the first time I created an account, and it has remained that way. You story is also very conf…
I also have these toggles, while being on a free plan. I must have set them to disabled at setup because that's how they are now.
Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?
#224You can check-out any time, but you can never leave.
Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?
#225You have to be rather naive if you don't think these companies don't simply train on your prompts with or without your consent. They literally scrape everything - legal or not - and claim its fair use to train on, including straight piracy The idea that they'll steal from everyone except you is just wishful thinking
This only makes sense if your model is 'the labs are just breaking the rules all the time' as opposed to 'the labs have a legal theory of defense for the one aspect of the business which is legally questionable'. The question of whether doing something their terms of service explicitly say they will not do opens them up to civil liability is a much more certain one than anything they are doing around copyright. If th…
Well maybe they have another suspicipus theory for defense of your data. Like taking it, laundering it through a summarizer, and training on that. Surely that's less questionable than taking copyrighted stuff and saying "don't output over 15 words, never verbatim" pretty please.
Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?
#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't trust any company with their word on anything. Luckily, privacy policies are legally binding.
> Luckily, privacy policies are legally binding. Companies violate them all the time and massive leaks happen a lot. The punishments are trivial.
GPDR fines in the EU are NOT trivial.
Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?
#227You have to be rather naive if you don't think these companies don't simply train on your prompts with or without your consent. They literally scrape everything - legal or not - and claim its fair use to train on, including straight piracy The idea that they'll steal from everyone except you is just wishful thinking
This only makes sense if your model is 'the labs are just breaking the rules all the time' as opposed to 'the labs have a legal theory of defense for the one aspect of the business which is legally questionable'. The question of whether doing something their terms of service explicitly say they will not do opens them up to civil liability is a much more certain one than anything they are doing around copyright. If th…
It doesn't matter. Even if they don't train on your inputs now they will "boil the frog" and do so in the future. What the user wants is irrelevant in the tech industry.
> If they are doing this and anyone can prove it, they are going to be sued very hard, and it will be a pretty straightforward case.
This is a joke, right? The usual settlement in these cases amounts to a few days worth of revenue.
Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?
#228Ha! I was researching local llm’s training yesterday—I _want this_ for my local llm project.
Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?
#229Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't have that toggle (but could indeed have sworn I saw it earlier). Sorry, I have always thought that "opting in" is, "opting for the presented option" and opting out is "opting out of it", so opting out [of sharing prompts for training] is choosing to not share, but apparently I was wrong my whole life. I'm not a native speaker, and I think most people here (in my country) would interpret this the way I do? Wei…
You said it correctly, there’s no confusion.
Downvoted for knowing how to read
Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?
#230Earlier quoted context omitted.
This only makes sense if your model is 'the labs are just breaking the rules all the time' as opposed to 'the labs have a legal theory of defense for the one aspect of the business which is legally questionable'. The question of whether doing something their terms of service explicitly say they will not do opens them up to civil liability is a much more certain one than anything they are doing around copyright. If th…
Well maybe they have another suspicipus theory for defense of your data. Like taking it, laundering it through a summarizer, and training on that. Surely that's less questionable than taking copyrighted stuff and saying "don't output over 15 words, never verbatim" pretty please.
Copyright has a lot of leeway for arguments about fair use. 'We won't use your data for training' in a contract has far fewer.