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Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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Post by usernomdeguerre »

goalieca wrote: post #106
hackyhacky wrote: post #7

> Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems Yes. That's the point. The administration doesn't care about fixing whatever hypothetical mail ballot fraud may or may not exist; they are doing this to inject chaos into the election results, giving them cover to claim any result they want or even to just throw out the results entirely. Catastrophic problems are the means to that end.

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> If you took off your partisan hat, put on your red team hat

A humorous double meaning, almost like taking the hat off and putting it back on again.

But seriously I would expect a stronger argument in favor of these changes from proponents like you, something sourced, especially given the trial runs of these encroachments that've been run in a number of red states that haven't found any significant security issues and just turned out to be a waste of taxpayer dollars, time, and trust.

Do your readers a favor and bring something at least as substantive as the article you're commenting on.

Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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Post by prh8 »

majormajor wrote: post #102
llm_nerd wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is something incredibly cancerous when a certain party abhors democracy, and does everything they can to undermine the voting rights or access to groups they think won't vote for them. I would expect most Americans would see this as grotesquely anti-American, and absolutely against the principals of the country. Instead it barely makes news and is just another "get whatever advantage you can" tactic.

"Abhors democracy" isn't necessarily the right phrase for the on-the-ground majority. The leadership, sure. But not the average folk. "Has such a small imagination that they can't imagine they wouldn't be the majority" is more like it. For all the old fears of "we need the senate so big cities don't run the country" they have a massive blind spot of there being less diversity of thought, and more of a monoculture, in…

Even the house is unfairly tilted towards smaller states because of the 538 limit

Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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Post by AshleyGrant »

goalieca wrote: post #106
hackyhacky wrote: post #7

> Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems Yes. That's the point. The administration doesn't care about fixing whatever hypothetical mail ballot fraud may or may not exist; they are doing this to inject chaos into the election results, giving them cover to claim any result they want or even to just throw out the results entirely. Catastrophic problems are the means to that end.

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> If I take a look, through a security lens, of the existing mail in process from registration to recording votes, it’s quite shocking.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

You supplied nothing to back up your extraordinary claims. Your claims are extraordinary given the almost non-existent issues with mail-in voting. But if you'd like to prove otherwise, be my guest.

Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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Post by IAmNotACellist »

hackyhacky wrote: post #7

> Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems Yes. That's the point. The administration doesn't care about fixing whatever hypothetical mail ballot fraud may or may not exist; they are doing this to inject chaos into the election results, giving them cover to claim any result they want or even to just throw out the results entirely. Catastrophic problems are the means to that end.

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Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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Post by thataccount »

jibal wrote: post #79
thataccount wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Saying a thing over and over doesn't make it true. Even saying it once doesn't make it true. Apply that to everything you have said.

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Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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Post by gopher_space »

goalieca wrote: post #106
hackyhacky wrote: post #7

> Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems Yes. That's the point. The administration doesn't care about fixing whatever hypothetical mail ballot fraud may or may not exist; they are doing this to inject chaos into the election results, giving them cover to claim any result they want or even to just throw out the results entirely. Catastrophic problems are the means to that end.

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From my perspective this just looks like voter suppression. Your hypothetical edge cases operate at a scale that doesn't matter in the slightest, a fundamental rookie security mistake.

Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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Post by hackyhacky »

IAmNotACellist wrote: post #114
hackyhacky wrote: post #7

> Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems Yes. That's the point. The administration doesn't care about fixing whatever hypothetical mail ballot fraud may or may not exist; they are doing this to inject chaos into the election results, giving them cover to claim any result they want or even to just throw out the results entirely. Catastrophic problems are the means to that end.

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> Which "side" has been fighting tooth and nail for unverifiable mail-in ballots

Mail-in ballots are currently accepted in 23 states [1], including Utah, Kansas, and Florida. Which "side" is that? Please note Donald Trump personally uses the terribly unsecure and unverifiable method of mail-in ballot, so either he thinks it's secure enough, or, uh, is not being totally honest with us.

> resisting all investigations of voting integrity?

Which investigations, specifically, are you referring to? As far as I know, Trump formed a voter integrity commission in his first term which was unable to find any evidence of voter fraud and was therefore subsequently disbanded [2]. Since then, the only source of information on the allegedly widespread voter fraud is from Donald Trump's own mouth.

[1] https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-18-states...

[2] https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/disb...

Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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Post by mikem170 »

MrDrMcCoy wrote: post #100
hackyhacky wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> politicians opposing the will of the people are justifying the need for a fix, right? That's a funny way of saying that they support the status quo, which has never been provably linked to large-scale voter fraud. If you want voter ID, here's the procedure: establish evidence showing that its need outweighs its disadvantages, then pass a bill in Congress, then implement the bill. Signing an Executive Order that dem…

If voter ID was accompanied by mandatory free ID services at the polls, it could be a net good. Short of that, it's definitely more harm than good.

Agreed, if id becomes madatory for voting then an appropriate id needs to be provided for free, otherwise it is effectively a poll tax, and poll taxes are illegal.

Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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Post by stouset »

hackyhacky wrote: post #7

> Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems Yes. That's the point. The administration doesn't care about fixing whatever hypothetical mail ballot fraud may or may not exist; they are doing this to inject chaos into the election results, giving them cover to claim any result they want or even to just throw out the results entirely. Catastrophic problems are the means to that end.

And when it all goes to shit, they can just use that as evidence that mail-in voting shouldn’t have been allowed in the first place.

It is the same tired but sadly effective Republican playbook: take a mostly functioning if imperfect system, break it beyond repair under the guise of fixing or reforming it, use the ongoing disaster to argue that it should be dismantled, rinse and repeat until it’s unsalvageable.

Re: Whistleblower warns Postal Service mail ballot system has catastrophic problems

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Post by ModernMech »

RickJWagner wrote: post #70
MithrilTuxedo wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that reputable sources were not provided to justify the need for fixes has been reputable source enough. Bullshit is produced for the effect saying it will have.

A good majority of Americans want voter id. https://www.cnn.com/2026/07/28/politics/video/the-odds-voter... So a party calling for voter id is following the will of the people, while politicians opposing the will of the people are justifying the need for a fix, right?

We just spent a year hearing from some asshole about how the government was spending too much money and couldn't afford frivolities, yet we're supposed to spend money on security theatre to fix a problem that doesn't actually exist, all because some other assholes are butthurt about losing an election fair and square?

Remember the people leading the charge for this are insurrectionists. They don't care about protecting voting or the concept of democracy at all.

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