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Re: Mamdani bans AI in NYC schools

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Post by krapp »

dayyan wrote: post #108
krapp wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one on Star Trek was "stress-testing" anything of the sort. Stress-testing only works in reality, where the stresses are also real, or even in a simulation of reality. Star Trek is neither, it's just fantasy. It doesn't test anything.

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Do you have anything to add other than snark?

Can you demonstrate how the scene you mentioned provides a "stress test" for modern real life AI policy? What lessons should Mamdani take from that scene and how should he apply it to NYC schools?

Re: Mamdani bans AI in NYC schools

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Post by fercircularbuf »

krapp wrote: post #104
fercircularbuf wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Star Trek is a plausible future I'd like to live in. It depends entirely on education, cultural values, and ethics. It's a future worth striving for, real or not.

Star Trek isn't plausible. Free energy isn't possible. Matter replication isn't possible. Teleportation and faster than light travel aren't possible. You can't simply out-think and out-pluck the laws of physics. edit: not even with AI. Because I know there are people here who believe that AI will turn into a superintelligence so advanced that it will literally rewrite the laws of reality like the Eschaton from Charle…

I should clarify that when I wrote plausible I meant the societal aspects you touched on in your second point. As long as we are human, we will continue to experience our imperfection and continue to be prone to giving in to our base desires. And of course one group's culture shapes their ethics differently than another group's. Ethics is, after all, arbitrary. But one could still look at Star Trek and imagine a society where people's needs are met better than they are now, where we have systems in place to prevent a complete erosion of society better than we have now, where the basic principle of not exploiting others for personal gain is taught better than we teach it now, where we don't tolerate those that violate that principle.

You will still have hate. People will still kill. But one could look at Star Trek and imagine it's plausible to live in a society that doesn't tolerate school shootings or the systemic breakdowns that led to that.

Re: Mamdani bans AI in NYC schools

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Post by dayyan »

krapp wrote: post #111
dayyan wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Do you have anything to add other than snark? Can you demonstrate how the scene you mentioned provides a "stress test" for modern real life AI policy? What lessons should Mamdani take from that scene and how should he apply it to NYC schools?

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Re: Mamdani bans AI in NYC schools

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Post by krapp »

dayyan wrote: post #114
krapp wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have anything to add other than snark? Can you demonstrate how the scene you mentioned provides a "stress test" for modern real life AI policy? What lessons should Mamdani take from that scene and how should he apply it to NYC schools?

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Sorry to disappoint you but I'm not raging.

Re: Mamdani bans AI in NYC schools

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

Weird title. Should be:

"New York City Bans A.I. in Elementary and Middle Schools"

First sentence is "A new policy announced by the Department of Education bars younger students from using artificial intelligence, but stops short of a moratorium."

Not sure how handfuloflight got "Mamdani Bans AI in NYC Schools" from that. I'm also seeing zero instances of "Mamdani" in the article?

Re: Mamdani bans AI in NYC schools

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Post by qotgalaxy »

delichon wrote: post #82

There are some truly excellent initiatives leveraging AI as teachers, rather than as cognitive crutches, and it's important that they are not tossed out with the bathwater. Math Academy is one. I hope for a Cambrian explosion of variations of this approach. Imagine a resourceful and infinitely patient tutor guiding you through the most difficult concepts of your education, deeply attentive to your signals about flaws…

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Re: Mamdani bans AI in NYC schools

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Post by krapp »

fercircularbuf wrote: post #113
krapp wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Star Trek isn't plausible. Free energy isn't possible. Matter replication isn't possible. Teleportation and faster than light travel aren't possible. You can't simply out-think and out-pluck the laws of physics. edit: not even with AI. Because I know there are people here who believe that AI will turn into a superintelligence so advanced that it will literally rewrite the laws of reality like the Eschaton from Charle…

I should clarify that when I wrote plausible I meant the societal aspects you touched on in your second point. As long as we are human, we will continue to experience our imperfection and continue to be prone to giving in to our base desires. And of course one group's culture shapes their ethics differently than another group's. Ethics is, after all, arbitrary. But one could still look at Star Trek and imagine a soci…

>But one could look at Star Trek and imagine it's plausible to live in a society that doesn't tolerate school shootings or the systemic breakdowns that led to that.

We already have that at least, it's basically anywhere but the United States.

Unfortunately if Columbine and Sandy Hook didn't change things for the better I think the US is a lost cause in that regard.

Re: Mamdani bans AI in NYC schools

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Post by eqvinox »

MattDamonSpace wrote: post #21

Seems premature but then again humans are always a bit skiddish around change Still, not shocking that the DSA stronghold that elected someone like Mamdani is going to be passionate against AI. Will be interesting to watch outcomes diverge over the next few years. If you’re gonna ban stuff, do it at local levels like this so we can see differences play out across many locations/districts.

> humans are always a bit skiddish around change

skittish

"skiddish" isn't a word, the only thing I can think of is leaving a 'skid mark' in one's underwear...

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