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Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?
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Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?
#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You are "opting in to sharing your prompts for training", by default in this case. The English term for that is "opt out" not "opt in." To opt is to choose. If something is on by default, you have not opted in. You were forced in, and turning it off means you must opt out . (I.e., choose to be out.) normally I wouldn't care about a mistake like this, except that opt in/out are very important concepts in software de…
They said "opt in to training on prompts by default," which is coherent English and perfectly fine. The phrases "opt in" and "opt out" will always be contextual based on what is being opted, so it really falls to the reader to pay attention to that context. Please don't give English language advice as though you are an authority; there is not a rule of the English language that would make their usage unacceptable.
> They said "opt in to training on prompts by default," which is coherent English and perfectly fine.
No, it's really not. It should read "opted in to training on prompts by default".
"Opt in" means "you have to affirmatively turn this thing on". "Opted in" means "the thing is currently enabled".
Which is why it's probably better to write it as "enabled by default". Much harder to misinterpret.
Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?
#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
It would be catastrohic for any of the big labs if it came out that they were training on what was sold as private. I get this cynical conspiratorial energy, it fits the internet well, but I can assure you most people with even mild business sense would be intensely opposed to this idea. Well, except maybe Zuckerburg, but they don't really do enterprise anyway.
I mean the models have literally trained on: 1. Child porn 2. Stolen music 3. Private github repos, before that was 'stopped' 4. Illegally pirated books Them training on company prompts against the terms of service would be one of the least bad things that these companies have trained AI models on Why do you think a company - willing to break the law for child porn - won't break the law when it comes to your personal…
These folks need to feel repercussions so hard their souls flee to the afterlife leaving only their sad, dead husks behind.
Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?
#164I could be mistaken, but wasn't Mistral openly championing themselves as a company and EU option that wouldn't do this/didn't do this?
You must have not been keeping up with the times :) Their big play this year was to write a "whitepaper" on the future state of EU economy, which is something that they'd like to hand of to EU leaders and part of that proposal was some kind of mandatory 10% sovereign AI spend, or some other nonsense like that. They are, at least, trying to make big enterprise (with tailored models, custom integration) and government…
That just sounds like exactly the same as the US companies are doing with their government (trying to get a lot of money out of them)
Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?
#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tbh there is much more regulatory pressure on EU AI companies than US/China - of course you can only use local models which Mistral actually releases unlike the US alternatives. So out of all the bad options this still seems to be one of the best
I'm curious what regulatory pressure there is on EU AI companies that wouldn't apply to many of the US firms. The AI Act and GDPR still apply to the tech giants since they operate in the EU (e.g. Anthropic watermarking). There are labor laws that are definitely more strict but many of the US firms have operating presence in the EU as well. I imagine that being directly in the EU probably does increase regulatory over…
These laws apply to US companies in a more limited way because if we fine them too much they complain to US government that other countries have laws they have to follow. And then the US government intervenes to protect their money and data/intelligence extraction machinery (big tech companies). Usually with at least partial success.
Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?
#166Question: when AI companies say they don’t train on your input or output, do they mean that they don’t train on an extremely simple AI rework of your input or output as well?
Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?
#167You have to be rather naive if you don't think these companies don't simply train on your prompts with or without your consent. They literally scrape everything - legal or not - and claim its fair use to train on, including straight piracy The idea that they'll steal from everyone except you is just wishful thinking
Pinky-promises, embarrassing. I'd point to tinfoil.sh. I'm not a shill for tinfoil, I haven't even used it or looked past its homepage really, but if we are able to legitimately secure privacy, then training data questions are moot (and the market for training data would probably shift/expose).
Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?
#168You have to be rather naive if you don't think these companies don't simply train on your prompts with or without your consent. They literally scrape everything - legal or not - and claim its fair use to train on, including straight piracy The idea that they'll steal from everyone except you is just wishful thinking
This is why these companies paying subscriptions shoveling everything into Claude thinking "oh, they're not training on our stuff" is hilarious to me. Of course they are. They probably are extra super-duper sure not to have Claude admit to that in any way, but there's no way they're giving up training on the sum total of both open and closed source code out there.
Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?
#169You have to be rather naive if you don't think these companies don't simply train on your prompts with or without your consent. They literally scrape everything - legal or not - and claim its fair use to train on, including straight piracy The idea that they'll steal from everyone except you is just wishful thinking
It would be catastrohic for any of the big labs if it came out that they were training on what was sold as private. I get this cynical conspiratorial energy, it fits the internet well, but I can assure you most people with even mild business sense would be intensely opposed to this idea. Well, except maybe Zuckerburg, but they don't really do enterprise anyway.
No it wouldn't.
It wasn't "catastrophic" for the largest of the 3 US credit reporting agencies when their entire dataset was breached. The company is 100% IP and the only value they have was completely copied. Their largest value is to verify identities by the things Americans know (KDB) and after that "single factor of identity" was 100% compromised, the company only got bigger and more contracts.
When there are only 4 competitors in the large scale foundation model business and they all throw caution to the wind because they are racing to own the "$30 trillion TAM" they are all going to make critical security, RBAC, and segregation mistakes.
Both ChatGPT and Claude threads marked for sharing have been indexed in Google at large scale. This is incredibly easy to tell Google crawlers via robots.txt not to crawl those URLs, but nobody at either of these uber unicorns could be bothered to add that one pattern to the one file.
And all of the skepticism here is about verifiability. The foundation model companies are liable for potentially more the companies are worth if found to be violating copyrights of content used for training. They aren't going to make it easier for lawsuits against them by detailing their data ingestion into training pipeline.
Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?
#170Context: After careful research our organization preferred a European partner with good central privacy controls. We landed on Mistral, after being disappointed that the Pro tier was opt-in to training on prompts by default we switched up to the Team tier which provides an organization dashboard with some relevant settings. As we did that Mistral changed these options and the Team tier was now also opt-in by default…
> opt-in by default