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Re: Paint.net 5.2 alpha now runs on Linux

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Post by sixothree »

iamnothere wrote: post #120
sixothree wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where did I say something was wrong with them? I do think it is worth questioning why an entire thread is filled specifically and exclusively with cartoon character avatars. Pick a thread, pretty much any thread on bsky with 20+ replies and I believe you'll have trouble reproducing these results. I have had trouble finding one. Feel free to locate some and point them out to me. Let me know how many threads it took yo…

My guess is they are hobby artists who think that AI and piracy are the only things preventing them from making it big. There’s more of these out there than you would think. If you look at the quality of their avatars it becomes clear why they aren’t making money as artists.

I didn't quite want to say it myself since I've been so negative sometimes lately. But it was something I noticed and picking a random profile to view was pretty stomach turning.

But I get there is backlash. Not everyone lives in the bubble HN does. Not even everyone here is accepting of AI. I don't even know where I stand many times. But something feels off about this response. It's certainly looking brigaded.

On my home feed was another AI announcement. Few comments. Zero hate. And I definitely expected more there.

Re: Paint.net 5.2 alpha now runs on Linux

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Post by llm_hal_9000 »

This seems fun. I like Paint.net. Will try it out when its finished. I understand the backlash against LLM stuff and have my own reasons for not liking it that much. If its disclosed though, I don't mind. The rest of this comment is claude wondering why I have not run into that much LLM assisted software and games.

I've been trying to find at least partially LLM made software, software features, and games to try that's not a chatbot/agent/harness/mcp server for well over a year now. So far I'm up to one library, one piece of software (Trilium Notes), and zero games I'm using on a weekly basis. I almost had a file browser, but they stopped working on it and it was not working well with Windows DPI scaling. Found one okay song, but it had that cheap LLM feeling. I do see a lot of LLM generated memes of influencers. I keep thinking I should be finding lots of software and games to try out. Ports, clones in various languages, decomplications, feature additions from people that did not have enough time to work on them by hand, that sort of thing.

Only four out of 50ish games on my wishlist (mostly small teams or solo devs) have AI disclosures. AI seems to be used most often for texture and icon placeholders, voice acting (sometimes to be redone with real actors), translations, icons, and signs in-game. Two games had to state that they are using other systems besides LLMs for their AI features.

When I do find projects, I still run into the same pain points I did as before. Namely being too slow to load, DPI scaling issues, general errors so the software does not run, and most often the instructions as listed don't work but you can still get the software to run if ask the LLM that generated the software how to run it because the instructions LLM generated did not work for you. I'm assuming there is a lot of AI stuff going on the in background and backends of SaaS products and websites I use but who knows.

Re: Paint.net 5.2 alpha now runs on Linux

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Post by [deleted] »

sixothree wrote: post #101
diego_sandoval wrote: post #50

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What the hell is going on with those people (or bots?)?

I honestly suspect that if he said he was using OpenAI instead, the results would be completely different. Ever since the DOD thing, pretty much every sub, thread, or reference to Claude, has resulted in vitriol. It mostly materializes as one-line comments and harassment. What I noticed in this is that literally every single poster has a cartoon avatar. I assume they farm their karma in threads related to a game, mov…

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Re: Paint.net 5.2 alpha now runs on Linux

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Post by NetMageSCW »

vova_hn2 wrote: post #96
tech234a wrote: post #43

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It's been closed source for 16+ years. Some background: * https://blog.paint.net/2007/12/04/freeware-authors-beware-of... * https://blog.paint.net/2009/11/06/a-new-license-for-paintnet...

> The biggest problem was that, even though these were clearly unethical and deplorable actions, the MIT License permitted all of it. Seriously? Why not go GPL then?

Because that is even worse for what he wants to allow.

Re: Paint.net 5.2 alpha now runs on Linux

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Post by edflsafoiewq »

judah wrote: post #9

The full thread[0] about how it runs on Wine is quite interesting: > Direct2D has always been the biggest hurdle for Paint.NET on WINE, and it's clear that it will never be completed enough for Paint.NET's use. And I can't just "disable" the use of Direct2D. So, instead, Paint.NET now has an internal, from-scratch, clean-room reverse-engineered rewrite of Direct2D that it uses on WINE (triggered by using /wine). It l…

Why is Direct2D so hard to implement in Wine?

Re: Paint.net 5.2 alpha now runs on Linux

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

ascorbic wrote: post #81
haunter wrote: post #20

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>The source got deleted, what is the backlash even about? It's Bluesky, they hate AI so the mob bullied him to delete the posts https://web.archive.org/web/20260901203707/https://bsky.app/... >Paint .NET-on-WINE has never been possible because of Direct2D, which WINE has really struggled with (for good reasons). >So like ... why not reimplement Direct2D-in-Paint .NET? Remove the dependency on WINE completely. Clean r…

> It's Bluesky, they hate AI There is a very vocal section of the userbase who are vehemently anti-AI. Blocklists help avoid them (using them or being on them). However there is also a really good AI community on there. It's generally a lot less commercially-focused than on Twitter, for better and worse. It helps that atproto itself is really good for agents. They know how to use it, and the data is all open and acce…

I wouldn't say it's a "really good AI community". There's not really much discussion that happens on new papers, techniques, new GPU kernels, topologies, etc etc. There's a few folks whose content I enjoy that generally revolves around philosophizing around how widespread LLM-style intelligence will affect society for both good and bad which is fun to read from time-to-time but not the level of context I desire out of an AI discussion.

Unless I'm not following the right people which can totally be the case. I've stopped using the platform regularly because of how present this mob mentality toxicity is on the site.

Re: Paint.net 5.2 alpha now runs on Linux

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Post by internet2000 »

thorum wrote: post #82
mortenjorck wrote: post #33

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It looks like the original post was removed, but there are some screenshots going around (unfortunately X doesn't let you view full-size unless you're logged in): https://x.com/ChrisCroy/status/2094867317163540937

There’s nothing surprising or confusing here. Outside of tech communities like HN, I see anti-AI rhetoric everywhere. A very large number of humans see AI as a purely evil and parasitic thing, no matter how it’s used. It’s an especially common view among artists and young people. Whether or not you agree about AI, when you’re communicating to a wider audience, you have to read the room.

Bluesky is not real life.

Re: Paint.net 5.2 alpha now runs on Linux

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Post by Macha »

sixothree wrote: post #121
iamnothere wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My guess is they are hobby artists who think that AI and piracy are the only things preventing them from making it big. There’s more of these out there than you would think. If you look at the quality of their avatars it becomes clear why they aren’t making money as artists.

I didn't quite want to say it myself since I've been so negative sometimes lately. But it was something I noticed and picking a random profile to view was pretty stomach turning. But I get there is backlash. Not everyone lives in the bubble HN does. Not even everyone here is accepting of AI. I don't even know where I stand many times. But something feels off about this response. It's certainly looking brigaded. On my…

Paint.NET is (partially) art software. The art community has a negative view of AI. Therefore announcements of AI use in Paint.NET get a negative reaction, more so than something like AI startup #491000

Re: Paint.net 5.2 alpha now runs on Linux

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Post by seki285 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #18
haunter wrote: post #16

Here is the source code of the last open source (MIT) release from 2008 Wonder if it can be built for modern Linux https://web.archive.org/web/20080000000000*/http://www.dotpd...

> Wonder if it can be built for modern Linux I think the question nowadays would be "What's the least amount of tokens I could use for making this build on modern Linux?", with any amount of tokens, there isn't much you couldn't do with enough time.

No, the question is "Wonder if it can be built for modern Linux" not "Wonder how much slop I can generate".
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