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EFF to Governor Newsom: Veto California's AB 1709

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Re: EFF to Governor Newsom: Veto California's AB 1709

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Post by alex43578 »

bigfudge wrote: post #82
alex43578 wrote: post #53

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Why are you allowed to dictate how others raise their children? They don’t get a say in your kids diet or religion or choice of sport.

They do have plenty of influence over the environment your child lives in. Vaccination for public school entry would be a good example.

Vaccination has a very reasonable public health argument, even ignoring the fact that it has been massively eroded, and comparing vaccination to social media is disingenuous.

If Timmy is on Instagram, John’s health isn’t at risk. If Timmy comes to school with measles, John’s health is at risk, and vaccination has been shown to reduce the risk to both Timmy and John.

Re: EFF to Governor Newsom: Veto California's AB 1709

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Post by spwa4 »

dgellow wrote: post #125
spwa4 wrote: post #42

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That would do nothing to help with the pressure kids will feel if others are on social media.

You cannot regulate peer pressure, even with the complete ban you would still have kids using other platforms for social interaction and have peer pressure, like on roblox or whatever

> You cannot regulate ...

This has never stopped anyone. For example, Climate change legislation makes little sense unless implemented worldwide. War crime or anti-terror legislation doesn't really make sense unless it's implemented across borders (and pretending doesn't count. Nobody's even talking about arresting Putin, or anyone else for that matter). Taxation ...

Re: EFF to Governor Newsom: Veto California's AB 1709

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Post by falsemyrmidon »

speecht wrote: post #40
falsemyrmidon wrote: post #9

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Probably also worth pointing out that they made that account to leave that comment

The EFF used to support anonymous speech.

You can be anonymous without using the same model as 4chan.

Re: EFF to Governor Newsom: Veto California's AB 1709

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Post by marky1991 »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #140
kyboren wrote: post #132

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I'll rephrase it for you: "Fuck you".

Exactly. Out donate me. Until then, it's whinging.

So, are you admitting there's no moral justification here? It's just 'do-it-because-you-want-to'?

Re: EFF to Governor Newsom: Veto California's AB 1709

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Post by kelseyfrog »

marky1991 wrote: post #154
kelseyfrog wrote: post #140

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Exactly. Out donate me. Until then, it's whinging.

So, are you admitting there's no moral justification here? It's just 'do-it-because-you-want-to'?

Debate won't change the minds here. I've never seen a privacy-über-alles person arrive at social media should not exist. Maybe you have?

I'd have to wipe entire years of experience raising my kids in a world of social media. How do you propose I do that?

Re: EFF to Governor Newsom: Veto California's AB 1709

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Post by marky1991 »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #155
marky1991 wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, are you admitting there's no moral justification here? It's just 'do-it-because-you-want-to'?

Debate won't change the minds here. I've never seen a privacy-über-alles person arrive at social media should not exist. Maybe you have? I'd have to wipe entire years of experience raising my kids in a world of social media. How do you propose I do that?

If you aren't interested in changing minds, why do you comment in forum threads at all?

Re: EFF to Governor Newsom: Veto California's AB 1709

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Post by kelseyfrog »

marky1991 wrote: post #156
kelseyfrog wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Debate won't change the minds here. I've never seen a privacy-über-alles person arrive at social media should not exist. Maybe you have? I'd have to wipe entire years of experience raising my kids in a world of social media. How do you propose I do that?

If you aren't interested in changing minds, why do you comment in forum threads at all?

You've seen someone about face? Please share a link to the thread. I'd love to read it.

Re: EFF to Governor Newsom: Veto California's AB 1709

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Post by saghm »

ethbr1 wrote: post #147
saghm wrote: post #65

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Right? If I had to come to with like, five problems that I felt like they were both urgent enough and and significant enough that we should literally implement the least bad policy immediately rather than do nothing until we come up with something better, I don't think this would be on my list, and it definitely wouldn't be the top of my list if it was. There are things I think that are more harmful and have been goi…

Functioning democracy seems pretty important, and a healthy shared reality and news is a key component of that. Social media, as currently implemented, directly harms that.

I have basically the same reaction to this framing: if I had to list the five largest threats to our functioning democracy in the US right now, social media use by teenagers would not make the list.

Re: EFF to Governor Newsom: Veto California's AB 1709

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Post by marky1991 »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #157
marky1991 wrote: post #156

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If you aren't interested in changing minds, why do you comment in forum threads at all?

You've seen someone about face? Please share a link to the thread. I'd love to read it.

Sorry, but that's not an answer to my question. To be honest, I'm starting to feel like you're not really talking to me, you're just responding to me.

If you're asking for evidence of people changing their minds, I've done that, though I will admit I haven't done it in the past page of comments on hackernews.

Normally it's not a wholesale change of opinion, but a shift in nuance or a changing of details.

But even if I found such a thing, that doesn't answer my question.

Re: EFF to Governor Newsom: Veto California's AB 1709

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Post by kelseyfrog »

marky1991 wrote: post #159
kelseyfrog wrote: post #157

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You've seen someone about face? Please share a link to the thread. I'd love to read it.

Sorry, but that's not an answer to my question. To be honest, I'm starting to feel like you're not really talking to me, you're just responding to me. If you're asking for evidence of people changing their minds, I've done that, though I will admit I haven't done it in the past page of comments on hackernews. Normally it's not a wholesale change of opinion, but a shift in nuance or a changing of details. But even if…

Respectfully, I'll believe it when I see it.

Most of my interactions in age gating discussions on HN have pushed me toward indignation, rather than nuance. It's arguing against someone's hypothetical dystopian nightmare. I'm tired of the game. If they want to affect change, they can do it financially as I am.

Looking forward to seeing this same treatment on the privacy folks and how they respond.

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