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Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

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"available to trusted defenders through our new Fairwind Program" Then why even bother announcing this? Ordinary people can use K3 and GLM 5.3 or whatever drops next and avoid all this hassle.

Agreed. The only legitimate use case is restricted to a secret guild. Imagine:

"Valgrind is only available to trusted defenders in our new UnfairAdvantage program"

Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

#312

I don't know if Google is having the worst marketing fumble or the most genius marketing one. Their "flash" models are very comparable to other companies' "pro" or "flagship" models. It seems to be a quite counterintuitive naming convention as it undersells the models. Unless they have an even more powerful Gemini Pro in the oven...?

The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if it's about keeping the federal government out of their business after seeing what happened to Sol & Mythos.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

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I think about Google is the value you get of their plans, for 5$ a month you get their ai plus model combined with 400gb you can share this with your family. The other ai companies don't provide family plans

And the free year-long trial for college students they recently offered, which includes 5 tb of Google Drive storage.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

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People have been sleeping on Gemini lately but these last few Flash releases (which were very rapid) are damn good. These sort of fast and cheap models are great for tasks that are verifiable and can be retried infinitely (like coding), you can basically get frontier results with a good harness (at a fraction of the time and money).

As someone who has stubbornly stuck with Claude Code, what's a good harness for Gemini models?

Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

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The speed combined with the fact that this thing is really good at HTML JavaScript is pretty exciting. Here's what I got for 1.8 cents and 13 seconds from the prompt "make me a cool thing in html": https://gisthost.github.io/?6a77bc41a81718c6aaa10d4ab243c59f Transcript here (it was part of a chat): https://gist.github.com/simonw/b6149a49d327164d67d62c3d12992...

Mission accomplished. That's both cool and fast.

The bar could not be any lower these days I guess

Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

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The speed combined with the fact that this thing is really good at HTML JavaScript is pretty exciting. Here's what I got for 1.8 cents and 13 seconds from the prompt "make me a cool thing in html": https://gisthost.github.io/?6a77bc41a81718c6aaa10d4ab243c59f Transcript here (it was part of a chat): https://gist.github.com/simonw/b6149a49d327164d67d62c3d12992...

Focus on speed and being OK with temporarily being #3/4 in intelligence might be the counterintuitive approach which makes Google win long term (whether accidentally or strategically). Can't wait to try Gemini Pro later this year!

I honestly can't believe serious people are making this argument on a straight face.

Gemini 3.7 flash outputs so many tokens per answer it doesn't matter how fast its TPS is, sol will end up being both cheaper and faster than Gemini. So ppl are paying more for a given task, waiting longer and using a dumber intelligence because "TPS number shiny".

Gemini 3.8 outputs 11k more tokens PER TASK on average in AAII than 3.7 putting it dead last in output tokens per task in the leaderboard.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

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post #309

People have been sleeping on Gemini lately but these last few Flash releases (which were very rapid) are damn good. These sort of fast and cheap models are great for tasks that are verifiable and can be retried infinitely (like coding), you can basically get frontier results with a good harness (at a fraction of the time and money).

As someone who has stubbornly stuck with Claude Code, what's a good harness for Gemini models?

Antigravity has been also rapidly improving lately, and your can also use any of the open coding harnesses. But I mostly meant “harness” as in your workflow/loop setup.

Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is in comparison to Fable: > https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer?url=ht... > Took just under 14 minutes to generate, and at 65927 output tokens cost me a hefty $3.30! So 50x cheaper - and how much faster?

The Gemini models have openly trained for SVG output, apparently with a specialism on animals in forms of transport! https://twitter.com/JeffDean/status/2024525132266688757

Yesterday's transcript of the best version from Fable looked like Fable already knew exactly what it should do without "thinking". In other words, there were no passages like "on the one hand I could do this, on the other hand ...".

It saw the fish in the basket from some other previous attempt but completely missed the gap between the tires and the rims where the background shines through (now it knows after scraping this comment and watch the next transcript).

Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber

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"available to trusted defenders through our new Fairwind Program" Then why even bother announcing this? Ordinary people can use K3 and GLM 5.3 or whatever drops next and avoid all this hassle.

You're telling me for only 5x the cost and 1/10th the speed I can use a Chinese model which performs worse than Gemini 3.8 Cyber? And I get to do all the hosting and setup work myself instead of just using a model and framework which is already integrated with GCP? Dang!
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