Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training? • Hacker News Board

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by rectang » Wed, Sep 02, 2026, 5:31 PM UTC

I pay for a subscription to Duck.ai mainly because I don't want to be constantly fighting my vendor to protect my privacy.

Microsoft already did a rug pull on me and opted me in to training months after I signed up with Github Copilot. It exhausting and ultimately futile to monitor these companies.

It's not guaranteed that Duck.ai will continue to uphold its promise of not training on your sessions — if the company gets bought by Microsoft, it's only a matter of time before the switch to "you can opt out at any time". But since privacy is Duck.ai's brand, it will be somewhat harder for them to hide what they're doing should they betray their customers.

I also don't actually trust that Duck.ai sub-vendors OpenAI and Anthropic will uphold whatever contract they have with Duck.ai — the whole AI business model is built on lawless consumption of others work.

We'll ultimately have to run our own models locally, because it's impractical to defend against untrustworthy AI vendors.

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Sep 02, 2026, 5:31 PM UTC

villish wrote: post #29

segmondy wrote: post #7

There are so models that beats all of Mistral models, plus you can run many of them locally. Why would anyone run Mistral?

To have at least a choice of using a European trained model. Downloadable weights is not open source. Mistral is able to respond to any regulatory queries about training data and concerns.

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Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by roosterIllusi0n » Wed, Sep 02, 2026, 5:36 PM UTC

kccqzy wrote: post #21

lukan wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"For contrast: Claude disables training on prompts for organizations starting from the 18 euro tier " In theory also for individuals? At least I have that toggle to deactivate that. But how would I ever know if they actually respect that?

If you don’t trust the company to keep their promise, don’t use their products.

That is ridiculous. Vote to ensure products have to be legally private and make it a crime to share or reuse your data for anything. This should be the norm that people vote for. The idea that we have to give up privacy so some nerdy pervert can be a billionaire off the backs of people who do the work is absurd.

Criminalize failure to keep private data private. Arrest CEOs and executives. Put them in jail when it happens.

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by EFLKumo » Wed, Sep 02, 2026, 5:38 PM UTC

Come on, think how fast Grok evolves after SoaceXAI acquired Cursor. I just believe if you can't get enough real data from practice then you can't train a good model. And for Mistral collecting data is a must step no matter what approach it takes.

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by tensor » Wed, Sep 02, 2026, 5:38 PM UTC

I just checked my admin dashboard and training on my data is (still?) off. Maybe I already set it to off when I signed up, I don't really remember.

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by nozzlegear » Wed, Sep 02, 2026, 5:38 PM UTC

rectang wrote: post #111

I pay for a subscription to Duck.ai mainly because I don't want to be constantly fighting my vendor to protect my privacy. Microsoft already did a rug pull on me and opted me in to training months after I signed up with Github Copilot. It exhausting and ultimately futile to monitor these companies. It's not guaranteed that Duck.ai will continue to uphold its promise of not training on your sessions — if the company g…

I also pay for duck.ai's service. They're my main "chat bot" thing, and while I had already been paying for their other services when I discovered I also had a duck.ai subscription, I choose to use them primarily because privacy is their whole brand. I only have two minor complainst: I want my conversations to sync between mobile and desktop (while being E2E), and I want a way to organize conversations into "projects" or grouped chats.

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by roosterIllusi0n » Wed, Sep 02, 2026, 5:41 PM UTC

lukan wrote: post #41

warkdarrior wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you know an LLM provider does not kill puppies every time you send a prompt longer than 14 words?

Because they have no incentive as a company to do that? But do have a strong incentive to learn from user input. (Most cutting edge features are developed private - very valuable to get that into your tool) And getting the data is not hard, they already have it. Risky is indeed a bit making use of that data, as that requires at least some humans (as potential whistleblowers). But you don't even have to tell them, whe…

We can easily make it a crime to collect the data and another crime to share it or store it in a way that allows someone else to copy it, authorized or not.

People always want to overcomplicate everything to benefit 5 super rich people that got rich taking wages from workers and ripping off retail investors. Please stop the pandering. Vote for yourself and your neighbors, don't vote to eliminate privacy so a rich pervert gets to exploit you.

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by lostlogin » Wed, Sep 02, 2026, 5:42 PM UTC

RussianCow wrote: post #37

kccqzy wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don’t trust the company to keep their promise, don’t use their products.

I don't trust any company with their word on anything. Luckily, privacy policies are legally binding.

> Luckily, privacy policies are legally binding.

Companies violate them all the time and massive leaks happen a lot.

The punishments are trivial.

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by zelphirkalt » Wed, Sep 02, 2026, 5:43 PM UTC

I remember this being the default for a while already. When I signed up and got an API key, I remember I did turn off the training option specifically, so it must have already been a default to have training on input on.

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by dylan604 » Wed, Sep 02, 2026, 5:51 PM UTC

locknitpicker wrote: post #73

kccqzy wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don’t trust the company to keep their promise, don’t use their products.

> If you don’t trust the company to keep their promise, don’t use their products. Your comment is perplexing. No company on earth meets your requirement. What are you expected to do? Move to a hut in the woods?

> Move to a hut in the woods?

I'm so burned out on the bullshit companies that succeed in tech forcing their will upon us serfs that I'm actively looking into that very thing at this time. Tech used to be fun. Now it's just depressing. I'm ready to go back and take the blue pill.