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Google Has Removed MV2 Extensions from the Chrome Web Store, Including UBO

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Re: Google Has Removed MV2 Extensions from the Chrome Web Store, Including UBO

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The better thing would be to hold Google directly accountable for every malicious ad they allow through their network. If they cannot do that, they should not be in business selling ads then. Yes, that means amending the law (in the US). But the law as it is written facilitates crime.

I mean, maybe we can try going after the scammers.. but we can’t even stop scam callers and junk mail

Who is we? Some countries do fairly well with both of these.

Re: Google Has Removed MV2 Extensions from the Chrome Web Store, Including UBO

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> It's not just Google, the Internet stops existing. Uh? No? The internet existed before being overrun by corporate presence. It still does. Advertising pays a lot, but take the ad money away and let it scale accordingly.

The worst thing about the modern internet is people's innate expectation that others will work/pay to entertain or inform them for free. What existed in 1993 was a cultural blip, it's never coming back, so let it go.

Ads are a cultural blip that will disappear too. Let it go.

Re: Google Has Removed MV2 Extensions from the Chrome Web Store, Including UBO

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Can't wait until we are forced to actually make Linux Phone systems actually good, but no one will invest until Android is closed

No one will invest even after Android is closed. The Android/iPhone duopoly is nearly impossible to break because very few people want to carry two personal phones, and it takes only one app that they can't do without being only available on Android/iPhone to make it impossible to choose anything else. The app providers likewise have no incentive to support anything else because everyone has one of these two. Bank ap…

In most countries you can switch to a bank not forcing you into the duopoly. Worked for me. Also there are usually alternative options for the public transit, too. I complain to every organization that doesn't support my GNU/Linux phone. Sometimes they even listen, despite it being niche. Imagine if more people joined this push.

Re: Google Has Removed MV2 Extensions from the Chrome Web Store, Including UBO

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Sarcasm?

Not in the slightest. Who do you believe works more for consumer privacy and security? Meta? Google? Microsoft?

There are no megacorps that care about your privacy. Regarding Apple, see these:

Apple fined $8.5M for illegally collecting iPhone owners' data for ads (gizmodo.com)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34299433

Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected (aalto.fi)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39927657

Apple silently uploads your passwords and keeps them (lapcatsoftware.com)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42014588

Watchdog ponders why Apple doesn't apply its strict app tracking rules to itself (theregister.com)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43047952

Apple memory holed its broken promise for an OCSP opt-out (lapcatsoftware.com)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41184153

Google collects 20 times more telemetry from Android devices than Apple from iOS (therecord.media) [but Apple still collects a lot!]

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26639261

Re: Google Has Removed MV2 Extensions from the Chrome Web Store, Including UBO

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I mean, maybe we can try going after the scammers.. but we can’t even stop scam callers and junk mail

Who is we? Some countries do fairly well with both of these.

The US

Re: Google Has Removed MV2 Extensions from the Chrome Web Store, Including UBO

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post #540

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Not in the slightest. Who do you believe works more for consumer privacy and security? Meta? Google? Microsoft?

There are no megacorps that care about your privacy. Regarding Apple, see these: Apple fined $8.5M for illegally collecting iPhone owners' data for ads (gizmodo.com) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34299433 Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected (aalto.fi) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39927657 Apple silently uploads your passwords and keeps them (lapcatsoftware.com) https://news.ycombinator…

Oh, come on. What a bunch of scare mongering crap. Yes, if you tell Apple to store something on iCloud it...stores it on iCloud.

That your examples are rather weak proves my point, not the opposite.

Re: Google Has Removed MV2 Extensions from the Chrome Web Store, Including UBO

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It's called a hypothetical, not a fantasy, and it is a device used to ground the discussion by giving us a baseline for comparison. I don't think this is a very useful discussion if we're going to talk past each other and not assume the best possible interpretation of each other's words.

I know what a hypothetical is. An utterly unrealistic hypothetical is more distracting than grounding. I don't think we're exactly talking past each other. I think the problem is that you've misdiagnosed the problem as, like you said in another comment, "a malfunctioning executive branch", and don't realize the full scale of Congress's culpability. I honestly thought you would know what I was talking about regarding…

> I honestly thought you would know what I was talking about regarding the feasibility of a "functioning Congress", but you apparently just think that's an important but trivial detail to mention

At no point did I assign triviality to the process of establishing a functioning Congress. In fact, I promoted it to be equal alongside a functioning executive branch.

You're arguing with a sarcastic attitude and continuing to interpret my words uncharitably. I'm interested in having this conversation and hearing your perspective as a former federal worker, but I don't want it to be hostile.

Re: Google Has Removed MV2 Extensions from the Chrome Web Store, Including UBO

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When I was younger I would do computer repair and maintenance for friends and family. The deal was I didn't charge them and they let me set the computer up to be more secure and useful. Back in the XP days I used a Winsock32 Fix to replace a section of the registry to remove malware before installing an antivirus I chose. Regardless of what else I did, I would install Mozilla (later Firefox) and change the icon in Windows to be that of Internet Explorer. Later, with newer versions of Windows, I would change the icon to open Chrome. Eventually, everyone switched to using Chrome and I stopped having to do this. Strange how I now need to change the Chrome icon to open Firefox or Brave if I keep volunteering my time. No way will I use Chrome out of the box nor will I let others use it if they want my help.

Re: Google Has Removed MV2 Extensions from the Chrome Web Store, Including UBO

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I can't prove a negative but consider that winning the Democratic primary requires convincing a bunch of left-of-center voters to support your plan. Sanders couldn't do that. How do you think he would have fared with Republicans? He's never passed a significant bill of his own and focuses on renaming post offices. The man has no political skill. As president he would have been a disaster.

> The man has no political skill This is what I take issue with. It's a heavy enough accusation that it needs receipts. It needs proper framing on why exactly the benchmarks you've listed are important for delineating political skill and why other benchmarks are not.

Sure, here are a few that are directly relevant to political jobs:

- legislation proposed and passed - elections won (i.e. candidate WAR) - ability to make backroom deals - campaigning skills

He's not good at any of those except the last one. I've mentioned the bills, he lost two primaries (his staffers engaged in election denialism both times), only has a seat because he's in a safe Dem state, and has a reputation for being a difficult politician to work with. He is obviously out-of-touch with American voters, his policy proposals are very fluffy and barely substantial, and about the nicest thing I can about his campaigns is that they draw in an enthusiastic crowd, but not one that seems to vote for him and his candidates.

Progressives have much better politicians now: Mamdani, AOC, Al-Sayed. If all of them can deliver like Mamdani - who might genuinely have the best political skills of any American politician living now - then maybe this "what if Bernie won" stuff could actually work. But Sanders would have crashed and burned the second the GOP shut down the government, because he's not good at convincing people who disagree with him.

Re: Google Has Removed MV2 Extensions from the Chrome Web Store, Including UBO

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I know what a hypothetical is. An utterly unrealistic hypothetical is more distracting than grounding. I don't think we're exactly talking past each other. I think the problem is that you've misdiagnosed the problem as, like you said in another comment, "a malfunctioning executive branch", and don't realize the full scale of Congress's culpability. I honestly thought you would know what I was talking about regarding…

> I honestly thought you would know what I was talking about regarding the feasibility of a "functioning Congress", but you apparently just think that's an important but trivial detail to mention At no point did I assign triviality to the process of establishing a functioning Congress. In fact, I promoted it to be equal alongside a functioning executive branch. You're arguing with a sarcastic attitude and continuing…

I may have a bit of a sarcastic tone, but I'm nevertheless interpreting your words as well as I can.

> If only the DNC was interested in promoting candidates that work for the people and aren't just interested in lip service while mostly maintaining the status quo. Things could have been different. Imagine what 8 years of Bernie and a functioning Congress might have accomplished.

Yes, you acknowledge that a functioning Congress is necessary for the scenario, but at least by my reading, only perfunctorily. It's thrown in with no visible connection to the rest of the scenario.

Maybe I misread this and the actual starting point for your scenario is a DNC that works for the people, and this leads to both Bernie and a functioning Congress? I still don't buy it. Such a well-intentioned party is already fantasy in my view (we could equally well imagine a well-intended GOP), and even if it existed it wouldn't fix all the problems that a single party can cause. The whole scenario falls apart. That could be why I missed this interpretation: it's less common to see, still doesn't make sense, and Bernie in particular doesn't really figure into it.

> But as you've already pointed out, it's kind of pointless if the fundamental problem is a malfunctioning executive branch (and a federal government with far too much power).

This is technically phrased as a conditional, but with subtext that accepts the premise about the "fundamental problem" (and is content-free otherwise). This makes it an implicit claim that the fundamental problem is indeed the executive.

If you don't think these statements show a lack of focus on Congress's dysfunctionality, clarify.

Again, that claim of incorrect focus was the main content of my original response to your "things could have been better":

> That "functioning Congress" requirement is doing a lot of the work in that claim, and no single election result would make that happen.

Maybe the "no single election result" thing was a misread, but why else would you mention Bernie unless you thought that was significant enough to matter? It isn't. The problem is the incentives in the overall system, and everything you've talked about is downstream of those.

Anyway, my perspective as a former federal worker is mostly a hundred papercuts that have mercifully faded into the past, but which at the time were all traceable to some act, or failure to act, of Congress. It was mind-numbing at the time, and could only be boring now even if I recalled the details.

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