It's interesting that Deepseek models were missing in the comparison. I see Deepseek v4 Flash a direct competitor to Gemini Flash for text-based agentic work.
Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber
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Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber
#2423.8 uses nearly twice as many tokens as 3.7. One might be inclined to think that they just uppsed the thinking budgets...
3.7 used 64M on high: https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/gemini-3-7-flash 3.8 used 120M on high: https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/gemini-3-8-flash
Even their own chart showed more than 2x higher cost compared to 3.7: https://storage.googleapis.com/gweb-uniblog-publish-prod/ima...
Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber
#243Earlier quoted context omitted.
I started trying out 3.7 Flash this week and it is competitive with opus/fable and also FAST. It is getting work done that anthropic models were struggling with and the speed with which it does is quite a bit noticeably faster. Beginning to think Google is a dark horse in this race and some of Anthropic's "everything feels janky and rushed" karma is going to catch up.
> Beginning to think Google is a dark horse in this race Google was so hyped up early Gemini 3 era (only some months ago). And now dark horse? The TPU takeover almost crashed nvidia and everyone else.
Hype that burned out pretty quickly, it's hard to speak to the size and significance of old hype, I never felt it.
Every time I personally tried Gemini models up until last week they simply couldn't do the long complex tasks I'd being doing with Anthropic models for many months.
Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber
#2443.8 uses nearly twice as many tokens as 3.7. One might be inclined to think that they just increased the thinking budgets...
3.7 used 64M on high: https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/gemini-3-7-flash 3.8 used 120M on high: https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/gemini-3-8-flash
Even their own chart showed more than 2x higher cost compared to 3.7: https://storage.googleapis.com/gweb-uniblog-publish-prod/ima...
Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber
#245 "available to trusted defenders through our new Fairwind Program"
Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber
#246I've been using Gemini 3.7 for my personal trip planning app. Across multiple benchmarks, it ranks higher on everything I tried: - Real world knowledge (when a thing opens and closes, the geographic region, historical facts). It's also the best at taking a cluster of places and working out a visiting order. - Photo ranking (which photo should be the hero). Gemini can tell whether a photo is of the thing or of the vie…
thanks! this is a very helpful one. I am going to try.
Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber
#247Currently top at https://deepswe.datacurve.ai - beating Opus 5! https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/gemini-3-8-flash shows an intelligence score of 59, the same as Opus 5 medium! Wow - for a flash model this seems to benchmark powerfully. Remains to be seen what it is like to use.
As of writing this comment, Claude Opus 5 has an intelligence score of 63, not 59 (it's not the same as Gemini 3.8 Flash). With a score of 59, Gemini 3.8 Flash is in eighth place, falling behind even Grok 4.6, Kimi k3, and GLM 5.3. https://imgur.com/a/BMOJBED
They said Opus 5 medium - which does have an intelligence score of 59 (you have to select it manually from the dropdown to see it)
Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber
#248I don't use Gemini, but I thought `cool, let's give this new model a try`. Opened gemini.google.com, and I'm not even surprised. The drop down gives me the following options: - Flash-Lite - 3.6 Flash [new] - 3.1 Pro The above is why i don't use LLM products from Google. If the model is not available right this minute (heck, hours before the release!), then I'm not gonna bother getting back to it tomorrow, because tom…
I'm a paid Gemini subscriber via Workspace Standard accounts and yet I also only have access to 3.6. So frustrating and confusing. Meanwhile Anthropic and OpenAI simply release a model everywhere (Fable on Pro only as a somewhat mild exception).
Workspace always gets things slower than normal Gmail accounts. They do a lot more to isolate data related to those accounts, so that's likely the cause here.
Anytime anything gets added to Workspace, I think Google has a lot more contractual obligations about keeping it around for X amount of time, so they tend to be more careful about adding things.
Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber
#249I would really love to be able to use these Gemini models in Opencode or Pi with my existing Google AI Pro subscription.
Re: Gemini 3.8 Flash and 3.8 Flash Cyber
#250I've been using Gemini 3.7 for my personal trip planning app. Across multiple benchmarks, it ranks higher on everything I tried: - Real world knowledge (when a thing opens and closes, the geographic region, historical facts). It's also the best at taking a cluster of places and working out a visiting order. - Photo ranking (which photo should be the hero). Gemini can tell whether a photo is of the thing or of the vie…
> Real world knowledge For awhile now I've found Gemini will use Google search for pretty much any real world knowledge, which is a huge plus IMO. It's basically Google with a much better frontend and no ads/seo nonsense.
> basically Google with a much better frontend and no ads/seo nonsense
so far