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Aging brains blend memories together instead of just forgetting them

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Re: Aging brains blend memories together instead of just forgetting them

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I wonder how much of this is directly related to age (biological aging), and how much is just someone's brain becoming "full" due to more memories getting added every year? It seems that memories must be stored as embeddings with single multi-neuron assemblies (cortical columns?) storing multiple embeddings as a kind of contents-addressable memory that is able to keep memories distinct due to the very high dimensiona…

The brain does not have the Von Neumann bottleneck. Unlike most current digital systems, the brain doesn’t have a separate memory registry it needs to pull from.

Engrams, that is, the physical trace of a memory, are not stable through life. They start out in the hippocampus, but as the stimulus recedes in time without reinforcement, it moves away.

No evidence exists though that the memory is encoded in one set of cells. This spatial segregation of memory is the worst hangover from the “brain is a computer” analogy. Even if it is, why in the world would it be like our digital devices which specifically have the Von Neumann bottleneck? In biology, memory and processing are not segregated.

There’s growing evidence the memory is much more distributed over the network, and is recomposed based on salience overlap with a new stimulus.

Another factor to keep in mind is circadian rhythms. There’s growing evidence for how much the memory system and timekeeping system overlap, at a molecular level. Every neuron (and other cell) has an intrinsic clock that ticks at roughly 24 hours, and continues to do so even in total darkness.

When you encode the memory has a lot to say, based on your chronotype, on how and how well you will remember it. Same with learning: there’s a time of day based variation.

Sleep, and dreaming, is when these memories seem to get replayed and critical features and connections are incorporated into the system and its regime, awaiting the right triggers to access a state similar to when the memory formed.

I’m stitching across a lot of different research, and I want to be clear many aspects of this system are not yet fully worked out.

But what we do know points to a system that works with different physical and algorithmic priors, and the dynamics are sharply distinct from current digital computers.

Re: Aging brains blend memories together instead of just forgetting them

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How much of this, I wonder, is a function of the fact that our circadian rhythms get less robust with aging. The circadian clock hugely influences learning and memory processes, gating when you can learn and how much, and shaping the storage and recall also.

We know that with age the amplitude of these rhythms can decrease, as can the synchrony between cells.

This kind of mid-management seems to have at least some circadian component, and it would have been great if they looked to see if the effects were equally bad at all times of day, and knew the chronotype of the participants to use as a reference. I’d love to see if every test participant was tested at their cognitive peak, too.

Re: Aging brains blend memories together instead of just forgetting them

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Evidence?

It's an LLM bot user.

Nothing further from the truth.

Ignore my account if you wish. The handling of memories as the corruption through conflation and obfuscation of the original is widely accountable.

The part of the holographic memory is unexplored for obvious reasons (beyond modern scientific reach.) Many individuals extraordinary behaviors may be explained by the lack of neurological access by others, not information storage availability.

Re: Aging brains blend memories together instead of just forgetting them

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FYI this is LLM slop. Consider the information to be entirely unfounded.

What, the paper from Mekbib and McDonough, or the divulgation from Antonaros?

Supposing it is the submitted (under Antonaros), see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49538906

Re: Aging brains blend memories together instead of just forgetting them

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The paper certainly has its limitations. Only 61 participants, with almost nobody between 30 and 50, so we shouldn’t read the age trend as a decline across lifespan. What’s more interesting than the title suggests (and I find the title forcing the conclusion a bit) is that the attention measures were not linked to age or the brain patterns at all. Then again, i'm 45 and I've been losing my keys and my IDs since I was…

>I find the title forcing the conclusion a bit The entire article is AI-generated.I wish such sources would include the prompting used as well as the model so a (human) reader can better evaluate the document.

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