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Ending my elixir exploratory writing

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Re: Ending my elixir exploratory writing

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Post by viceconsole »

jimmaswell wrote: post #28
astro-lizard wrote: post #4

I have come to the same conclusion in my personal technical writing. I am loath to share ideas to the scraper marketplace just to have some executive prompt an LLM 2 years from now and claim the idea for themselves. I am weary of sharing my academic work with a chatbot as well.

"I don't want to share my ideas in case someone might benefit from them" is a strange attitude for an academic.

Academics' primary external recompense is in credit, attribution, and recognition. AI has effectively ended attribution, so I'm not at all surprised people are less interested in sharing and publishing. Especially when anything you publish will just be used to train the next iteration that still won't credit you.

Re: Ending my elixir exploratory writing

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Post by sodapopcan »

jamauro wrote: post #31
sodapopcan wrote: post #7

> discussion has collapsed I used to be extremely active on Elixir Forum. It was the main place I would interact with people online, and HN was a bit of a distant second. Now HN usage has spiked a bit and I now have a... ugh... reddit account. There is still some decent discussion there, but it's largely library announcements (many vibe coded), some blog posts (that are often about AI), and news posts. Questions abou…

It was a nice place pre-LLMs. One of the better communities imo.

I think so, though I didn't spend any near that amount of time on other language forums, though I guess that's saying something. It's cool having José, Chris, and other big community leaders participate often. Same goes for frequent participating from the Erlang core team, in fact I think it got to the point where we'd hear from them even more often!

But ya, was a fun place. I loved reading it, I love helping on it and the more general chats. I even made some friends and found a job through it!

Re: Ending my elixir exploratory writing

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Post by sorentwo »

arodenmaxxing wrote: post #33
sodapopcan wrote: post #7

> discussion has collapsed I used to be extremely active on Elixir Forum. It was the main place I would interact with people online, and HN was a bit of a distant second. Now HN usage has spiked a bit and I now have a... ugh... reddit account. There is still some decent discussion there, but it's largely library announcements (many vibe coded), some blog posts (that are often about AI), and news posts. Questions abou…

there is a running joke among a part of the community that goes something like "0 days since last persistent workflow orchestration library announcement". I feel like Elixir community is a bit too nice to call out obvious slop (some folks straight out post LLM-generated blog posts every week or so), so instead we could focus on elevating human effort. Recent Oban release for example had a note that all the docs a hum…

Glad somebody noticed and appreciated that! Human written long form content is extremely important (to us, but I think for the world).

Every single email and issue reply is also 100% human authored. People deserve to interact with humans online, especially when they have reached out for help and real interaction.

Re: Ending my elixir exploratory writing

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Post by sodapopcan »

arodenmaxxing wrote: post #38
sodapopcan wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there is a running joke among a part of the community that goes something like "0 days since last persistent workflow orchestration library announcement". Ha, I missed this! I rarely click on any topics anymore, but I have noticed a trend of similar-sounding libraries being posted. Other than one person whose blog I already read a bit, I don't click on any of the blog posts anymore. It's not a conscious decision, I…

I feel you! I still try to share/comment on human-written posts even if they're not fully up my alley. Pangram extensions helps a lot with that. But yeah, in general it's just crickets and a buzzing noise of tokens floating around

> Pangram extensions

Was not aware of these. Thanks!

Re: Ending my elixir exploratory writing

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Post by sph »

PaulRobinson wrote: post #23

It’s sad that in the face of seeing AI content out there, so many writers are retreating to not feed the beast: it’s a white flag that speeds up the war being won by AI. We need more human writing, not less. I hope this trend reverses sometime soon.

> We need more human writing, not less.

Per Brandolini's law, genuine writing cannot ever compete with spam. The amount of humans is relatively the same while the ease of generating convincing blogspam has increased by multiple orders of magnitude.

Yours is a nice sentiment, but we have to accept that the Web is pretty much lost.

Re: Ending my elixir exploratory writing

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Post by sph »

jimmaswell wrote: post #27

Years before gen AI took off, when I wrote internet-facing prose or code, I thought "even if nobody reads this, maybe some AI will read it some day and find it useful, so I should still make it accurate", never expecting such a day to come so soon. Now that it has, I'm overjoyed that my work has had some tiny part in training the models that are helping millions of people implement their tech ideas or even just write…

But I don't want to train the machine superintelligence. In fact, I am fundamentally against the creation of superintelligent machines.

You do you, of course, but don't call it pearl-clutching if people have different worldviews.

Re: Ending my elixir exploratory writing

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Post by cindyllm »

arodenmaxxing wrote: post #39
yborg wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not what he's saying. He was doing this writing to communicate with other human beings, and that since that seems seemingly has died off in his community there isn't much point in continuing that. It's great that there are people that enjoy being a training bot for a corporate product, but some people still want to talk to other people. And if a system ever becomes an AGI, I am fairly sure it will no longer ne…

> It's great that there are people that enjoy being a training bot for a corporate product FWIW I feel more or less the same _and_ I think this gives society a solid ground for demanding some sort of collective compensation from AI labs, just like mining or oil companies pay for natural resources https://distantprovince.substack.com/p/the-past-is-a-natural...

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Re: Ending my elixir exploratory writing

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Post by chantepierre »

neya wrote: post #44

Mixing of actual underlined text and hyperlinked text with the same underline should actually be criminal. I hope the author has installed heatmaps.

Whoops. I'm truly sorry for this one indeed, I will revert it. I bought actual font licenses but did not choose an italic yet, and replaced it with underlines, but this of course conflicts with my links..

Re: Ending my elixir exploratory writing

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Post by solid_fuel »

sorentwo wrote: post #43
arodenmaxxing wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there is a running joke among a part of the community that goes something like "0 days since last persistent workflow orchestration library announcement". I feel like Elixir community is a bit too nice to call out obvious slop (some folks straight out post LLM-generated blog posts every week or so), so instead we could focus on elevating human effort. Recent Oban release for example had a note that all the docs a hum…

Glad somebody noticed and appreciated that! Human written long form content is extremely important (to us, but I think for the world). Every single email and issue reply is also 100% human authored. People deserve to interact with humans online, especially when they have reached out for help and real interaction.

Every single time I interact with Oban, it's a delight. Glad to see you guys continuing to put in the work and sticking with human writing.

I've got a production service largely backed by Oban Pro and last month alone it handled running heavy ML tasks against ~200,000 long-form video files. Each analysis has multiple steps, all handled with Oban's dependent jobs feature, so there was something like a million unique jobs, and I don't think we hit a single production issue with Oban. Being able to connect into the cluster and directly manipulate things with Oban is a superpower.

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