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Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by teekert »

Diti wrote: post #20

This gets posted literally moments before I was about to pay them after ditching Claude. Thank you! I hate data collection in paid products. I think I will be using Kagi Ultimate for the inference UI, so the data is somewhat anonymized before being collected.

You can still easily disable "Allow the use of your interactions with Vibe to train Mistral's AI models." What's annoying is that they switched this to on by default on Team plans with no way to turn it off for your whole team/org, this week.

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by teekert »

throwaway89201 wrote: post #23
Diti wrote: post #20

This gets posted literally moments before I was about to pay them after ditching Claude. Thank you! I hate data collection in paid products. I think I will be using Kagi Ultimate for the inference UI, so the data is somewhat anonymized before being collected.

I'm really hoping Mistral will succeed with their open models, so I'm a bit biased, but I don't have any affiliation. This submit is a bit of well-meaning but confused scaremongering however. Mistral has had, and continues to have, a toggle in the admin settings that permanently disables training on your data. The option has not been removed, and previous opt-outs are still honored. As far as I know, Mistral always t…

There is no toggle in my admin settings to disable this for the whole org (when on the Team plan). If it was there before they recently removed it.

"Mistral always trained on your data by default except for the enterprise plan" - This is not true, until last week all docs stated that the use of your interactions with Vibe to train Mistral's AI models was off by default on the Team plan. Now that is only still the case on the enterprise plan.

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by lukeschlather »

I'd be interested in some legal/GDPR takes on PII handling in prompts. If someone enters PII into a prompt, and Mistral retains it for training, is it sufficient for them to say "don't enter PII into prompts?"

Of course with Claude and so on this bothers me too, but it doesn't seem like there's any real recourse under US law. But I would hope that "oh you shouldn't enter PII" isn't going to cut it under European law, that if I say "don't store my prompts, they include PII I don't want you storing" should be sufficient here under the GDPR and Mistral shouldn't be able to just store it anyway.

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by pixl97 »

saaaaaam wrote: post #28

This is a hugely misleading editorialised title. The page title is "Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training". Right at the top of the page it says "In certain cases, your input and output data (such as conversations, documents, and other user-provided content) may be included in Mistral’s model training programs. You retain full control over this processing and have the right to opt out of th…

"You can opt out at any time"

....

"Of course we'll randomly turn that option off for you aka FB style and hope you don't notice. There is zero legal liability for us doing so, so why wouldn't we".

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by pixl97 »

kieranmaine wrote: post #51
maxdo wrote: post #8

It’s a spyware, but a sovereign one

How so? I've opted out of using my data for training.

How many times with large companies have you found that they removed the old opt-out value and put a new one in that is enabled by default because of course it's opt-out?

Opt-out doesn't mean dick when the regulatory environment allows them to do things like the above without any recourse. Of course you can go to any other company that follows the exact same rules if you'd like.

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by pixl97 »

r_lee wrote: post #35
zoobab wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you expect from running on "someone else computer?"

a service provided to you for the money you paid? just like with any other business?

Sheet, that is so 20th century.

All the other businesses have been bought up by VC, going to rental models, and looking for new and interesting ways to screw you over too.

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by lovich »

kccqzy wrote: post #21
lukan wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"For contrast: Claude disables training on prompts for organizations starting from the 18 euro tier " In theory also for individuals? At least I have that toggle to deactivate that. But how would I ever know if they actually respect that?

If you don’t trust the company to keep their promise, don’t use their products.

What company do you trust to keep their promise?

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by icantevenhold »

pixl97 wrote: post #85
kieranmaine wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How so? I've opted out of using my data for training.

How many times with large companies have you found that they removed the old opt-out value and put a new one in that is enabled by default because of course it's opt-out? Opt-out doesn't mean dick when the regulatory environment allows them to do things like the above without any recourse. Of course you can go to any other company that follows the exact same rules if you'd like.

Tbh there is much more regulatory pressure on EU AI companies than US/China - of course you can only use local models which Mistral actually releases unlike the US alternatives.

So out of all the bad options this still seems to be one of the best

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