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Dutch central bank moves share of gold from U.S., Canada to London

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Re: Dutch central bank moves share of gold from U.S., Canada to London

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Post by lokar »

kingleopold wrote: post #5
appleappleapple wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And this lost trust will not suddenly reappear when he leaves office. He has damaged our reputation for a generation

No it's not simple to call "he" did this. WH people, half? of the country supporting him for 2nd time, and wealthy people that donated so much too, it's never "he". Nothing big like that is one persons responsibility. Actions have cons. ? All elected and supported, especially AFTER how he and his supports lead the so many extra deaths in covid. I know your media does not bring facts but truth is out there.

Not half the country. Almost half of the people who voted.

Re: Dutch central bank moves share of gold from U.S., Canada to London

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Post by idbnstra »

gwbas1c wrote: post #32
kingleopold wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it's not simple to call "he" did this. WH people, half? of the country supporting him for 2nd time, and wealthy people that donated so much too, it's never "he". Nothing big like that is one persons responsibility. Actions have cons. ? All elected and supported, especially AFTER how he and his supports lead the so many extra deaths in covid. I know your media does not bring facts but truth is out there.

Sadly, the way people vote is more complicated than you might believe. Trump is the symptom of malfunctioning system that doesn't give people good options in the ballot box.

yes! we need ranked choice voting everywhere!

Re: Dutch central bank moves share of gold from U.S., Canada to London

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Post by pebble »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #59
dhosek wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He’s doing exactly what he said he would do when he ran. People who voted for him can very much be held accountable.

When he ran, did he say that he'd make tariff rates bounce around like a kangaroo on speed? No, I don't think he did. Did he say that he'd threaten to annex Canada and Greenland? Not that I recall. Did he say that he'd start a war with Iran? No, I'm pretty sure he said "No new wars." Look, he's a loose cannon. Everyone who voted for him should have known that . But no, he's not doing "exactly what he said he would do…

If you found anything he did surprising you haven’t been paying attention to him at all.

Re: Dutch central bank moves share of gold from U.S., Canada to London

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Post by mindslight »

rootusrootus wrote: post #46
gwbas1c wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sadly, the way people vote is more complicated than you might believe. Trump is the symptom of malfunctioning system that doesn't give people good options in the ballot box.

That explains how he got almost half the votes on election night, but it does not explain the 1/3 that still to this day support him 100%. There is a pretty substantial underlying problem in play and Trump is the symptom, but the problem is deeper than a malfunctioning political system.

That explains how he got the votes on election night in 2016. A vote for Grump in 2016 was completely understandable. But he should have plainly been a one term president, after his abjectly terrible handling of Covid (for starters, we needed leadership rather than dividership). But unfortunately in our upside-down world, Covid actually handed Grump a big excuse for why his first term was such an exercise in failure. And if there is one thing Grump is good at, it's weaseling responsibility onto others - a quality that his followers greatly admire as it soothes their own consciences as well.

Re: Dutch central bank moves share of gold from U.S., Canada to London

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Post by ericmay »

myrmidon wrote: post #94
ericmay wrote: post #71

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> Blatant corruption for zero gain that even the Putin's and Xi Jin Pings never attempted.... was when Trump phoned Infantino to drop a red card during the world cup. FIFA, a largely European organization created by Europeans for a sport that Americans barely care about and in the center of multiple corruption scandals and controversies over the last few decades and you're really going to sit here and try to tell oth…

There is a big difference between some sports association being greedy/unethical and elected officials abusing their position of power (especially when they sit in the highest positions and there are zero consequences).

Right, its just we all lose respect and we're real mad when Donald Trump makes a phone call about something that, well you know frankly the American public agreed with, and we don't lose respect or whatever and we're not outraged when that same extremely corrupt organization continues to do greedy, unethical, and corrupt things.

It's astounding that European governments would never do corrupt things. Totally never. And if they did, sorry they only draw the line at influencing FIFA.

Re: Dutch central bank moves share of gold from U.S., Canada to London

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Post by unethical_ban »

wccrawford wrote: post #35
appleappleapple wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And this lost trust will not suddenly reappear when he leaves office. He has damaged our reputation for a generation

And I'd argue that it should . He opened the door, and I find it very, very unlikely that either side will close it after this. Dems and Reps will both use this to take control in ways that would have been unthinkable prior to Trump's first election. The only way to restore any measure of that trust would be to pass laws that prevent this kind of abuse, and there's no way that politicians will give up power they've g…

The ideal would be that a new president is elected who uses current powers to reverse/rebuild what Trump has torn down and have their "one big bill" that Congress seems to pull off per president be a reforms package that locks in additional checks and legislative powers against the Executive. The Unitary Executive theory is the most dangerous attack on our Constitution in a long time.

On the other hand, a right-wing Supreme Court may try to block any reforms that check the Executive. The Legislature's ultimate oversight power of the Exec is impeachment, and they have decided that no amount of corruption or crime or destruction should be checked as long as it "feels right".

Re: Dutch central bank moves share of gold from U.S., Canada to London

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

lokar wrote: post #97
rootusrootus wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That explains how he got almost half the votes on election night, but it does not explain the 1/3 that still to this day support him 100%. There is a pretty substantial underlying problem in play and Trump is the symptom, but the problem is deeper than a malfunctioning political system.

It is almost unheard of in the US for an elected politician to poll lower than 30%, it seems to be a floor. This is for both parties, and all sorts of terrible behavior.

> almost unheard of in the US for an elected politician to poll lower than 30%, it seems to be a floor

Alan Keyes apparently set the floor at 27%, which is not far below 30%

> Obama vs. Alan Keyes. ... Keyes was plainly, obviously, completely crazy. But 27% of the population of Illinois voted for him. They put party identification, personal prejudice, whatever ahead of rational judgement.

https://kfmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/10/lunch-discussions-145-...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_United_States_Senate_elec...

And lizardman's Constant is 4% https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Lizardman%27s_Constant

Re: Dutch central bank moves share of gold from U.S., Canada to London

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Post by graemep »

mikewarot wrote: post #70
jmclnx wrote: post #2

This shows how much trust in the US has declined due to Trump. Netherlands is not the only or first country to do this, other countries have started this too.

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Interesting. I am always suspicious of "great man" explanations of history and the same applies to current events - not that individual choices do not matter, but they are constrained and influenced by bigger social forces.

Something similar happened in the UK, as the major parties moved towards a consensus as they both went after critical centrist voters (because the left and right voters were not going anywhere else - at the time anyway).

Re: Dutch central bank moves share of gold from U.S., Canada to London

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Post by MadrasThorn »

Everyone now has to hedge against the dollar because Elon, bank run Thiel, and Trump have taken over the system.

I will not get better until they are removed.

It is not in their interest to save the federal government, US dollar, or the economy.

They are all BRIICS backed and want the dollar and trans atlanticism, backed by the US military, to fail.

Re: Dutch central bank moves share of gold from U.S., Canada to London

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Post by triceratops »

petcat wrote: post #96
triceratops wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would FIFA be less corrupt if it were legally incorporated somewhere else? I didn't know registering an entity in another place automatically changed the character of the people that run it. That's magic. Literally mind-control.

The point is that FIFA is a corrupt European institution and that has nothing to do with the US. But maybe you're trying to make a No True Scotsman argument.

> The point is that FIFA is a corrupt European institution

It has "international" right there in the name. The vast majority of its members are not "European" in any sense. Calling it "European" is offensive to those members and to the footballing world as a whole. It reeks of a colonial attitude.

I'll ask you again: what actually affects how an organization runs? The place that it's registered in, or the people in charge?

FIFA has to be registered somewhere for legal reasons. That doesn't make it of that place.

> But maybe you're trying to make a No True Scotsman argument.

If FIFA were registered in the Caymans would you call it a Caymanian organization?

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