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Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by bee_rider »

teekert wrote: post #46
throwaway89201 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and at the same time seemed to have lost the ability to centrally disable training on prompts for your entire organization There is a toggle on https://admin.mistral.ai that allows you to disable training for both Vibe and Console/API for your entire organisation. And I'm not on the enterprise plan. I've disabled training the first time I created an account, and it has remained that way. You story is also very conf…

I don't have that toggle (but could indeed have sworn I saw it earlier). Sorry, I have always thought that "opting in" is, "opting for the presented option" and opting out is "opting out of it", so opting out [of sharing prompts for training] is choosing to not share, but apparently I was wrong my whole life. I'm not a native speaker, and I think most people here (in my country) would interpret this the way I do? Wei…

FWIW I don’t find what you wrote confusing, but I do think it is following a sort of… bad convention that some companies have been pushing.

Opt-in and opt-out describe the nature of the choice that you make. “Opt” means to choose (apparently it is a French word we stole). Opt-in means you have to proactively choose to be in. Opt-out means you have to proactively choose to be out. “Opt-in by default” is an overly verbose way of saying “opt-out.”

In either case it describes the choice that you need to proactively make to override the default behavior.

Edit: I should also say that it is a “known point of contention” where pro-privacy people have been pushing back on this phrasing. So, you have probably accidentally stumbled into an ongoing discussion, which is why some of the comments might be unexpectedly prickly.

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by teekert »

heaney-555 wrote: post #54
saaaaaam wrote: post #28

This is a hugely misleading editorialised title. The page title is "Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training". Right at the top of the page it says "In certain cases, your input and output data (such as conversations, documents, and other user-provided content) may be included in Mistral’s model training programs. You retain full control over this processing and have the right to opt out of th…

This is the case for all the major AI providers. Training collection is on by default, but you can opt out.

"No model training on your content by default" [0]

It's not the default on any Team plans and didn't used to be at Mistral (until last week or so). The team plan has a central admin role and page, and "seats".

And if it was the default, then I'd still expect a big button to turn it off for all seats, and not have to ask all user separately. But this changed over night and that button is not there. Although I expect it used to be, because some people here report that they have it.

https://claude.com/pricing#team-&-enterprise

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by nozzlegear »

teekert wrote: post #10
summarity wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Opt in by default” would mean that it is not enabled by default. Do you mean opt out?

You are "opting in to sharing your prompts for training", by default in this case. My slider says: "Allow the use of your interactions with Vibe to train Mistral's AI models.", it is on by default for everyone on the Team plan, the admin can't centrally turn it off anymore, and any user can toggle it when they want to. This all changed last week. I know I'm naive but I expect that when I pay, this stuff is simply off…

> You are "opting in to sharing your prompts for training", by default in this case.

I understand what you're saying here, but maybe "turned on by default" is less confusing for everyone.

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by nozzlegear »

evanjrowley wrote: post #27
Diti wrote: post #20

This gets posted literally moments before I was about to pay them after ditching Claude. Thank you! I hate data collection in paid products. I think I will be using Kagi Ultimate for the inference UI, so the data is somewhat anonymized before being collected.

My best experience with Mistral has been with their expensive GLM-5.2 model. It's actually developed by Z.ai, but unlike Z.ai, the GLM-5.2 at Mistral can be used at a low price without training on your prompts - but only if you remember to hit the privacy toggle in their admin settings. Planning code changes with GLM-5.2 using a Mistral Studio API key and implementing code changes using the Mistral Vibe API key has w…

> My best experience with Mistral has been with their expensive GLM-5.2 model. It's actually developed by Z.ai, but unlike Z.ai, the GLM-5.2 at Mistral can be used at a low price without training on your prompts - but only if you remember to hit the privacy toggle in their admin settings.

Same here, actually. I'm American but have had a Mistral sub to supplement local models. The Mistral models, IMO, are very hit or miss, and I was about to cancel my sub until I saw they added GLM.

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by mhitza »

maz1b wrote: post #19

I could be mistaken, but wasn't Mistral openly championing themselves as a company and EU option that wouldn't do this/didn't do this?

You must have not been keeping up with the times :)

Their big play this year was to write a "whitepaper" on the future state of EU economy, which is something that they'd like to hand of to EU leaders and part of that proposal was some kind of mandatory 10% sovereign AI spend, or some other nonsense like that.

They are, at least, trying to make big enterprise (with tailored models, custom integration) and government policy plays.

That just goes to show you how ineffective they are as well at making AI click as a usecase.

And when they don't get ahead by their own terms they copy what they see ongoing with US AI labs. Le Chat, and Vibe.

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by nullsanity »

RussianCow wrote: post #37
kccqzy wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don’t trust the company to keep their promise, don’t use their products.

I don't trust any company with their word on anything. Luckily, privacy policies are legally binding.

Why does that matter? Legally binding just means "slightly more expensive when we get caught"

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by mhitza »

ylisav wrote: post #44

Very disappointing, but who doesn't train on user data? It's the only moat they have

I had the option, and had it disable everywhere, manually. The only one I didn't use, at all, is Anthropics service because of iffy Dario aura and their terms of service. Where is training in user data enforced and not possible to opt out?

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by whizzter »

danelski wrote: post #40
whizzter wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they realized that they were falling behind too much? To me it seems like user-feedback on bad descisions by the AI once it's trained to a basic level is among the most important signals in tuning the model to perform better.

That's what I believe. Once you have scanned every passive source available, using the user conversations to e.g. find common paths to a solution and shortcut them would seem natural.

Paths and shortcuts isn't the most important part here I think, rather negative signals about unfitting choices is more important, do we use algorithm/library/etc XYZ in this situation or not, the developers using it would provide the context suitability of options on a more finegrained level than resulting (semi-)public artifacts provide.

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by throwaway89201 »

teekert wrote: post #46
throwaway89201 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and at the same time seemed to have lost the ability to centrally disable training on prompts for your entire organization There is a toggle on https://admin.mistral.ai that allows you to disable training for both Vibe and Console/API for your entire organisation. And I'm not on the enterprise plan. I've disabled training the first time I created an account, and it has remained that way. You story is also very conf…

I don't have that toggle (but could indeed have sworn I saw it earlier). Sorry, I have always thought that "opting in" is, "opting for the presented option" and opting out is "opting out of it", so opting out [of sharing prompts for training] is choosing to not share, but apparently I was wrong my whole life. I'm not a native speaker, and I think most people here (in my country) would interpret this the way I do? Wei…

> I don't have that toggle (but could indeed have sworn I saw it earlier).

You don't see "Allow the use of your interactions with Vibe to train Mistral’s AI models" at https://admin.mistral.ai/vibe/privacy ?

And "Allow the use of your API calls to train Mistral’s AI models" at https://admin.mistral.ai/plateforme/privacy ?

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