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Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by lukan »

warkdarrior wrote: post #32
lukan wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"For contrast: Claude disables training on prompts for organizations starting from the 18 euro tier " In theory also for individuals? At least I have that toggle to deactivate that. But how would I ever know if they actually respect that?

How do you know an LLM provider does not kill puppies every time you send a prompt longer than 14 words?

Because they have no incentive as a company to do that? But do have a strong incentive to learn from user input. (Most cutting edge features are developed private - very valuable to get that into your tool)

And getting the data is not hard, they already have it. Risky is indeed a bit making use of that data, as that requires at least some humans (as potential whistleblowers). But you don't even have to tell them, where the data came from.

Whether they do it? No idea, I assume not, but I see a risk.

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by matthieu_bl »

Summary of the different scenarios

Service: Vibe Plan: Non-Enterprise Default: Opted in Opt-out possible? Yes

Service: Vibe Plan: Enterprise Default: Opted out Opt-out possible? Yes (admin-managed)

Service: Mistral Studio/API Plan: Not specified Default: Not stated, I assume opted in Opt-out possible? Yes

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by teekert »

throwaway89201 wrote: post #17
teekert wrote: post #2

Context: After careful research our organization preferred a European partner with good central privacy controls. We landed on Mistral, after being disappointed that the Pro tier was opt-in to training on prompts by default we switched up to the Team tier which provides an organization dashboard with some relevant settings. As we did that Mistral changed these options and the Team tier was now also opt-in by default…

> and at the same time seemed to have lost the ability to centrally disable training on prompts for your entire organization There is a toggle on https://admin.mistral.ai that allows you to disable training for both Vibe and Console/API for your entire organisation. And I'm not on the enterprise plan. I've disabled training the first time I created an account, and it has remained that way. You story is also very conf…

I don't have that toggle (but could indeed have sworn I saw it earlier).

Sorry, I have always thought that "opting in" is, "opting for the presented option" and opting out is "opting out of it", so opting out [of sharing prompts for training] is choosing to not share, but apparently I was wrong my whole life. I'm not a native speaker, and I think most people here (in my country) would interpret this the way I do? Weird but TIL.

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by rvz »

Diti wrote: post #20

This gets posted literally moments before I was about to pay them after ditching Claude. Thank you! I hate data collection in paid products. I think I will be using Kagi Ultimate for the inference UI, so the data is somewhat anonymized before being collected.

Just run your LLMs locally instead of using external providers.

Using Claude, Mistral and the rest of them is not going to solve your issue with data collection.

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by LeBit »

kccqzy wrote: post #21
lukan wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"For contrast: Claude disables training on prompts for organizations starting from the 18 euro tier " In theory also for individuals? At least I have that toggle to deactivate that. But how would I ever know if they actually respect that?

If you don’t trust the company to keep their promise, don’t use their products.

How can you trust any company?

The only company you could think of trusting is one where an external , independent auditor is doing its work.

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by teekert »

danelski wrote: post #38
lukan wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"For contrast: Claude disables training on prompts for organizations starting from the 18 euro tier " In theory also for individuals? At least I have that toggle to deactivate that. But how would I ever know if they actually respect that?

My 20 EUR Claude (individual) had the training on by default.

Yes, individual indeed (used to different but changed about a year ago, see [0] among others].

For the Team and Enterprise plans de default is "not sharing prompts for training" (which I mistakenly referred to as opted out of sharing prompts for training.) [1]

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45076274

[1] https://claude.com/pricing#team-&-enterprise

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by Miraltar »

teekert wrote: post #46
throwaway89201 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and at the same time seemed to have lost the ability to centrally disable training on prompts for your entire organization There is a toggle on https://admin.mistral.ai that allows you to disable training for both Vibe and Console/API for your entire organisation. And I'm not on the enterprise plan. I've disabled training the first time I created an account, and it has remained that way. You story is also very conf…

I don't have that toggle (but could indeed have sworn I saw it earlier). Sorry, I have always thought that "opting in" is, "opting for the presented option" and opting out is "opting out of it", so opting out [of sharing prompts for training] is choosing to not share, but apparently I was wrong my whole life. I'm not a native speaker, and I think most people here (in my country) would interpret this the way I do? Wei…

If you opt in it means that by default you're not in and you chose that option. So if you're now included in training by default, then it's an opt-out feature as in you can opt out of it.
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