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Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by kccqzy »

lukan wrote: post #5
teekert wrote: post #2

Context: After careful research our organization preferred a European partner with good central privacy controls. We landed on Mistral, after being disappointed that the Pro tier was opt-in to training on prompts by default we switched up to the Team tier which provides an organization dashboard with some relevant settings. As we did that Mistral changed these options and the Team tier was now also opt-in by default…

"For contrast: Claude disables training on prompts for organizations starting from the 18 euro tier " In theory also for individuals? At least I have that toggle to deactivate that. But how would I ever know if they actually respect that?

If you don’t trust the company to keep their promise, don’t use their products.

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by whizzter »

maz1b wrote: post #19

I could be mistaken, but wasn't Mistral openly championing themselves as a company and EU option that wouldn't do this/didn't do this?

Maybe they realized that they were falling behind too much? To me it seems like user-feedback on bad descisions by the AI once it's trained to a basic level is among the most important signals in tuning the model to perform better.

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by throwaway89201 »

Diti wrote: post #20

This gets posted literally moments before I was about to pay them after ditching Claude. Thank you! I hate data collection in paid products. I think I will be using Kagi Ultimate for the inference UI, so the data is somewhat anonymized before being collected.

I'm really hoping Mistral will succeed with their open models, so I'm a bit biased, but I don't have any affiliation. This submit is a bit of well-meaning but confused scaremongering however.

Mistral has had, and continues to have, a toggle in the admin settings that permanently disables training on your data. The option has not been removed, and previous opt-outs are still honored. As far as I know, Mistral always trained on your data by default except for the enterprise plan, with the option to disable it on all plans, and with the option for organizations to make the choice for all your users.

Kagi Ultimate still uses mostly closed models by OpenAI / Anthropic, etc.

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by jnurmine »

segmondy wrote: post #7

There are so models that beats all of Mistral models, plus you can run many of them locally. Why would anyone run Mistral?

To be honest, I have a hard time noticing differences with Claude (in Kiro) and Mistral Vibe, at least with what I use them for. They simply feel like talking to the exact same thing.

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by perks_12 »

segmondy wrote: post #7

There are so models that beats all of Mistral models, plus you can run many of them locally. Why would anyone run Mistral?

The OCR stuff is quite usable. Their models perform good at some very basic tasks, so I use them to diversify. But their current model lineup is really terrible.

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by evanjrowley »

Diti wrote: post #20

This gets posted literally moments before I was about to pay them after ditching Claude. Thank you! I hate data collection in paid products. I think I will be using Kagi Ultimate for the inference UI, so the data is somewhat anonymized before being collected.

My best experience with Mistral has been with their expensive GLM-5.2 model. It's actually developed by Z.ai, but unlike Z.ai, the GLM-5.2 at Mistral can be used at a low price without training on your prompts - but only if you remember to hit the privacy toggle in their admin settings.

Planning code changes with GLM-5.2 using a Mistral Studio API key and implementing code changes using the Mistral Vibe API key has worked well for me. At my basic subscription tier, Vibe will share data with Mistral. It works for me because, when it comes to privacy, I care less about the actual code and more about the planning / high-level stuff.

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by saaaaaam »

This is a hugely misleading editorialised title.

The page title is "Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training".

Right at the top of the page it says "In certain cases, your input and output data (such as conversations, documents, and other user-provided content) may be included in Mistral’s model training programs. You retain full control over this processing and have the right to opt out of these programs at any time."

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by villish »

segmondy wrote: post #7

There are so models that beats all of Mistral models, plus you can run many of them locally. Why would anyone run Mistral?

To have at least a choice of using a European trained model. Downloadable weights is not open source. Mistral is able to respond to any regulatory queries about training data and concerns.

Re: Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training?

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Post by saaaaaam »

Diti wrote: post #20

This gets posted literally moments before I was about to pay them after ditching Claude. Thank you! I hate data collection in paid products. I think I will be using Kagi Ultimate for the inference UI, so the data is somewhat anonymized before being collected.

You can opt out.
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