As a European: I don’t care where an open weight model comes from.
The problem is always the next model, or the one after. If china thinks it's beneficial to stop open weight releases, it will stop them. Then you are stranded on that one and no local industry to produce new models for you.
Quasar 438B: Europe's Leading AI Model
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#42As a European: I don’t care where an open weight model comes from.
As a non-European, I care. I definitely want choice in this matter, as too many things can be baked into models that we can't really know until it comes up. For instance, I heard one of the Chinese models has some interesting "history" "facts" built into it. That's major , and can influence a lot more than just asking it for that particular history lesson. I don't want just 1 LLM. I want a great LLM from every major…
EU models will also have such guard rails built in to "protect" the EU population from "misinformation" and uncomfortable facts and the EU elite don't want publicly known/discussed.
Like I saw a post from German EU MEP where they asked the internal on-prem AI they have there "how can you vote out out Ursula v.d. Leyen" an the AI basically answered "sorry I can't help you Dave".[1] Nice.
So given this and the authoritarian path the EU is taking with things like Chat-Control, I'll take Chinese AI censorship rules over EU AI censorship rules, since the former impacts me over here far less than the latter.
It will be like in the old days when my government would keep taking down local torrent sites/domains and piracy groups so the best ones to find Embedded and EDA tools were some Russian and Iranian ones or how we used to use Russian Yandex to find content that would get delisted from Google on copyright or privacy grounds.
[1] https://x.com/AndersonAfDMdEP/status/2072223785902633138
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#43Seems to be worded a bit strange, is "thinking time" referring to prompt processing or something? Otherwise "reasoning/thinking" is typically part of the returned tokens, at least for most non-OpenAI/non-Anthropic platforms, so you can see the actual reasoning. But here it seems either they word this weirdly, or "thinking" is somehow separate from the actual chat completion request?
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a non-European, I care. I definitely want choice in this matter, as too many things can be baked into models that we can't really know until it comes up. For instance, I heard one of the Chinese models has some interesting "history" "facts" built into it. That's major , and can influence a lot more than just asking it for that particular history lesson. I don't want just 1 LLM. I want a great LLM from every major…
>For instance, I heard one of the Chinese models has some interesting "history" "facts" built into it EU models will also have such guard rails built in to "protect" the EU population from "misinformation" and uncomfortable facts and the EU elite don't want publicly known/discussed. Like I saw a post from German EU MEP where they asked the internal on-prem AI they have there "how can you vote out out Ursula v.d. Leye…
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#46How can it be that a 438B model is worse than Qwen3.8-27B? Are these benchmarks totally gamed?
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#50As a European: I don’t care where an open weight model comes from.