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Ask HN: How do you survive a job you hate which is slowly making you sick?

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Re: Ask HN: How do you survive a job you hate which is slowly making you sick?

#51
> My main concern is that this job is slowly making me sick.

This needs addressing sooner rather than later, either by fixing the problem(s), managing to care less, or getting out of dodge. It sounds like you want option 3 but are having trouble finding somewhere to go to.

For fixing the problem: make sure that you definitely understand the problem. This sounds odd (surely you know what is going on in your own head?) but it is often difficult to see the rotten needle of wood amongst the treestack. Are there other problems with the job, and this is the final straw or the squeaky wheel?

> the slow and low quality outputs

> it may be that the only way to fix is to address the inputs

Yes, you may be looking too much at the symptoms of the problem - the slow and low quality outputs, and the only way to fix those is likely to be to address the inputs by taking time out to try to retrain the team for the working patterns needed. That will mean more delay short term, because that training/practice will impact on time available for work, but could pay dividends in the medium/long term. It is worth a shot pushing that option while you are still unable to find work elsewhere: if you can't find the job/team you want, then try to mould this job/team into something better! If either the team or the management above you resist this, then there might be little you can do, but it does seem to be the way forward for the company (if they can't accept that then the company may fail, and you'll no longer have the stay/go decision to make - if management resist then make it clear that you see this as the risk of inaction).

If you can't fix it, and can't find better work elsewhere, then you might have to think about a drastic move to something else entirely, at least temporarily. This may well entail a pay/benefits cut though, so not something you can do unless quite financially secure. Very drastic, but you only have one mental health, and it can be very difficult to repair if things go to far. Your mind isn't a server that you can just pave and restore from backups!

What other people say about “trying to care less” is correct, especially trying to stop thinking about it in your personal time, but if you are anything like me then not caring feels wrong so it is very hard to turn that off (or down much).

Reference: I was suffering burn-out a couple of years ago due to a mix of work issues, personal responsibilities/stresses (ill parents, nearly lost both of them, have essentially lost one due to dementia, a lost cat (lymphoma, poor lass), and so forth), and my own mental issues (I'm “more than a tad bipolar”). Dropping to a four-day week has helped a lot, giving me more time to sort my self out or just to relax, and I've been doing that for two years. It turns out though (this is my personal “wood hidden by the trees” thing) is that I don't cope well with remote working long term, being alone with my own thoughts and no other real company (the cats help if I'm working from home, but I can't talk to them about work matters!) is not good for me. Mid/late 2020 is when I really started going down hill (though I didn't quite see it at the time). Even now I'm in the office four days a week and so are some other people, most of the people I'm working more directly with usually aren't, so I'm still effectively remote. I was starting to get a proper handle on all this when AI hoved into view, and I really don't want that for a list of reasons to long to rant about here. At some point very soon the combination of not getting on with remote and not wanting to get on with AI doing my job are going to be too much and I'll go. I'm lucky though: mortgage paid, no partner nor kids, some savings - which means I can afford to take the cut needed to just go when I need to. Heck, I might end up waiting tables or being a hospital porter, there isn't a lot that I'm qualified for that isn't going to be both remote and increasingly steeped in AI… The thought that I can do that is actually helping with the current situation, reducing the feeling that I need to do that, so keeping muddling on, doing the job while I can and putting the money safely away, is more palatable, giving me more time to research future options (or see if the balance changes much when the big AI firms start trying to recoup all that investment (https://isaiprofitable.com/) and AI-driven work looks less inexpensive).

Re: Ask HN: How do you survive a job you hate which is slowly making you sick?

#52
Been there very recently. The very difficult tech job market makes this even more stressful now.

Concrete things that helped me:

- Prioritize savings if you haven’t already. Do everything you can to have a cash cushion. Not having a cushion will multiply all other stresses.

- Work your contacts and network, If you don’t have one, start building one. You may be surprised even faint acquaintances can help

- Prioritize self-care. Exercise, eat healthy, don’t fall into alcohol or drug traps. And if you do fall into them, forgive yourself and try again

- De-stress your current job to the extent you are able

- Take time out in your day to do something you perceive as positive

This probably sounds trite and easy, but when you’re in the thick of it it can be very hard. Get the body and savings account in shape, the mind will have a better foundation to heal.

Re: Ask HN: How do you survive a job you hate which is slowly making you sick?

#53
post #24

>when we have to meet with customers and mention that modernization and system integrations are our top priority according to the management team, yet we can't even ship a few GET endpoints after six months of work... If the company pays to do a project where nothing happens for six months and it keeps paying, they are probably okay with a result, otherwise they would listen to your constructive proposals on how to i…

> Do they say they like what you do there or not?

That is the strange part. My boss who is head of product for my organization has given me good feedback so far. It's mainly just me who is beating myself up. But it's mainly because I have a strong feeling I know what is to come. If we can't even ship a few trivial GET endpoints in six months, how the hell are we going to implement more complex API endpoints in any meaningful amount of time? Is the whole project just going to get scrapped when they finally realize I wasn't exaggerating about how long things will take if a few simple endpoints take this long to ship?

> While you give less time and space to the annoying part of the job, find something that displaces it.

Definitely doing my best here. Long walks listening to some podcasts have helped a lot. Spending time with my family has helped a lot too. But above all I'm trying to stay positive, because I feel like being negative and constantly being in a bad mood is just going to make things worse.

Re: Ask HN: How do you survive a job you hate which is slowly making you sick?

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post #43

tbh I envy your position, you have a real opportunity to blow people away showing them what real modernization looks like. Like Prometheus bringing fire to humans. I don’t understand why you haven’t just let an AI agent do all the tasks your incompetent coworkers take months to do.

Making all of your coworkers look bad so you can be "Prometheus"? Sounds like a great way to become unemployed.

Sounds like unemployment is what he wants.

Re: Ask HN: How do you survive a job you hate which is slowly making you sick?

#55

tbh I envy your position, you have a real opportunity to blow people away showing them what real modernization looks like. Like Prometheus bringing fire to humans. I don’t understand why you haven’t just let an AI agent do all the tasks your incompetent coworkers take months to do.

I can think of many reasons, repo access, no LLMs allowed at company, everything needing approval from some department ...

It's easy to trivialize the work of others from the outside knowing nothing of the context they work in.

Re: Ask HN: How do you survive a job you hate which is slowly making you sick?

#56
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Making all of your coworkers look bad so you can be "Prometheus"? Sounds like a great way to become unemployed.

Sounds like unemployment is what he wants.

He can just quit then, no need to burn bridges.

Re: Ask HN: How do you survive a job you hate which is slowly making you sick?

#57

As somebody else said already, you care too much. It's not your fault things are progressing slowly. As the stoic quote says, you have only power over your mind, not outside events, like how qualified the dev team or management is. I guess you could suggest some more training for the team, though the impact of that would mostly depend on their attitude towards learning new things, which again is outside your control.…

I agree that I care too much. I've always had a very challenging time decoupling my life from my job. It works the other way around too though, where when things are going well at work and I enjoy the work I do, I feel excellent even outside of the office. But when it doesn't, I don't feel well at all. I really need to learn how to leave work at the office because to be honest this will probably not be my last job th…

I think it’s important to understand that your job need not be your identity, while acknowledging that for many of us particularly early in our careers the job is very important.

Maybe focus on a hobby, a partner, something that gives you another sense of identity or worth, which reduces the pressure of the job to fulfill that role.

I think we all need meaning in our lives so the strict advice to “care less” is tough to implement. But hopefully the strategies above will help. Build up a multi-faceted identity.

You are not worth less bc your company takes months to ship GET endpoints.

Re: Ask HN: How do you survive a job you hate which is slowly making you sick?

#58
post #32

Sounds exactly like my place. Never take your primary source of personal worth from a job. Get out of that mindset as soon as you can. In most companies like that you’re fungible in a moment’s notice even if they tell you they value you. As for non delivery, everything we build loses money because it’s built on a guess and doesn’t work properly because it’s designed and built by idiots. Do not listen to the people he…

Even if you do love your job, you should diversify your sense of personal worth as much as possible so you get fulfillment from more than one thing in your life, because that one thing could be gone tomorrow.

Re: Ask HN: How do you survive a job you hate which is slowly making you sick?

#60
post #5

You don't survive a thing that's making you sick. You quit. No job is worth your health.

In the US, the equation isn't quite so simple. Being unemployed can mean poor or no health insurance, which is also a health risk. The economy is not in good shape right now.

So you’re saying OP’s choice is between dying for their job, or potentially dying without one?

In that case the focus should be on the immediate emergency (of being ill because of work) than the potential risk (of getting ill while jobless)

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