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Ask HN: How do you survive a job you hate which is slowly making you sick?

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Re: Ask HN: How do you survive a job you hate which is slowly making you sick?

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post #18

Even with LLMs, they can't ship a GET endpoint..? I feel like there are a lot of people nowadays that are just pretending to be devs and ship things to prod using LLMs

I wish I were joking that I literally haven't received a delivery of four GET endpoints I wrote requirements for six months ago. The problem is that nobody seems to understand why this is an issue. We are constantly advertising to our customers that we are moving to API-based integrations and that the future of our product is being able effectively use our product without a user interface, and yet the management team is okay with four GET endpoints not being shipped in six months.

The next set of API endpoints we have in our backlog are write operations based on the Strangler Fig design pattern [1] using our existing stored procedures with a thin API wrapper around them. I can only imagine that if four GET endpoints have taken over six months to ship, that this is going to take an order of magnitude longer time, especially since our development team hasn't had to deal with things like concurrency and idempotency before.

[1] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/architecture/pattern...

Re: Ask HN: How do you survive a job you hate which is slowly making you sick?

#32
Sounds exactly like my place.

Never take your primary source of personal worth from a job. Get out of that mindset as soon as you can. In most companies like that you’re fungible in a moment’s notice even if they tell you they value you. As for non delivery, everything we build loses money because it’s built on a guess and doesn’t work properly because it’s designed and built by idiots. Do not listen to the people here doing 90 hour weeks on a startup. That’s insane. I manage about 6 hours a week :)

What they do provide you with is income. Save money so you can afford to lose a job first. Security helps. Find meaning outside work with that income. That is your purpose. And it probably shouldn’t be another let’s just do a side project at home and do another day of work. It should be social in some way.

Re: Ask HN: How do you survive a job you hate which is slowly making you sick?

#33
My last job was API integration related on a government contract. I was the team lead for one of two prime vendors. The lead for the other prime vendor was also the projects project manager. That PM was super toxic.

So the clients wanted me to do one thing (run operations), my supervisors wanted me to focus less on technical contributions and more on administration and leadership, the PM wanted me to be a junior developer. The PM knew I was a supervisor as nd knew of the client expectations and still wanted me to do something else. He even thought he was my supervisor even though my bosses were meeting with him every two weeks and told him the reality. The dude lied to the clients and withheld client communications until I was fired. I think he is autistic because he perceptions of reality were frequently wrong, his only management style was hazing people, and he confused lots of things between various people and work assignments.

I really miss my team because they were awesome people and I kind of miss the income. I really loathed that I was leaving my people behind in such a toxic environment. I was super relieved to not have to do that job anymore though. I had been considering walking away from it two months prior to termination.

Re: Ask HN: How do you survive a job you hate which is slowly making you sick?

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post #32

Sounds exactly like my place. Never take your primary source of personal worth from a job. Get out of that mindset as soon as you can. In most companies like that you’re fungible in a moment’s notice even if they tell you they value you. As for non delivery, everything we build loses money because it’s built on a guess and doesn’t work properly because it’s designed and built by idiots. Do not listen to the people he…

Thank you for writing this.

Re: Ask HN: How do you survive a job you hate which is slowly making you sick?

#36
post #5

You don't survive a thing that's making you sick. You quit. No job is worth your health.

In the US, the equation isn't quite so simple. Being unemployed can mean poor or no health insurance, which is also a health risk.

The economy is not in good shape right now.

Re: Ask HN: How do you survive a job you hate which is slowly making you sick?

#37
post #28

If the job market is so competitive, then surely there's someone out there with experience building APIs?

There definitely are people out there. A lot of skilled individuals in Sweden are currently unemployed. But whether or not companies have the budget to hire them is a different story.

Re: Ask HN: How do you survive a job you hate which is slowly making you sick?

#38
I empathize. Deeply. I’ve experienced severe anxiety as well, and very high stress due an environment where I felt powerless.

What saved me (in no particular order)

1. Sport. I felt I was “burning” my stress and anxiety by doing 1h of sport a day, in nature.

2. Therapy

3. Family and friends, quality time

4. Find another job

5. Stop social media

6. Fixed sleep schedule

Re: Ask HN: How do you survive a job you hate which is slowly making you sick?

#39
post #15

> My main concern is that this job is slowly making me sick. I have started to have really concerning mental health symptoms, specifically severe anxiety, due to this job. I've also had some really dark thoughts which has scared me a lot. Leave before burning out. In the meantime, maybe take sick leaves if you can. Consider many people don't notice they are burning out as well. Leaving even if you don't yet have anot…

Seconded. No job is worth damaging yourself permanently like that, even if it's "just" a temporary burnout, pull the ejection handle. It's a life safety issue.

Start looking before you leave, preferably, but at the very least scale back your commitment so you don't burn out in the mean time. If it's bad, quit. This is why you need to have savings and spend less than you earn.

Re: Ask HN: How do you survive a job you hate which is slowly making you sick?

#40
post #18

Even with LLMs, they can't ship a GET endpoint..? I feel like there are a lot of people nowadays that are just pretending to be devs and ship things to prod using LLMs

OP said in a comment that the devs are approaching retirement and their expertise is in COBOL and other really really legacy systems. I doubt they’re inclined at all to start using LLMs, or anything that changes how they work.
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