Say what you want about Mozilla's propensity to shove useless features into Firefox, but I've been loving some of the recent addition to tabs management. Split-view tabs, vertical tabs, tab groups and tab pinning have made my work so much easier.
Hang on to Your Firefox
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Re: Hang on to Your Firefox
#432Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If the goal is browser diversity, is the answer really Firefox? Or is it one of the active in development projects from people who are motivated to do something new? The former. Ladybird is currently not practically usable, it is unclear whether it will ever catch up to the main engines, and even if it does, it is unclear whether it will ever reach the market share that Firefox has. It is a nice project but science…
ladybird is passing more than 90% of the browser test suite. that's not science fiction.
Passing tests and has abysmal performance on basic web features. Not to mention how many security issues are present. Its unserious to suggest it as an alternative at this stage. It make people think they dont have to support firefox because there is alternatives just around the corner.
Re: Hang on to Your Firefox
#433I use Firefox, but Mozilla is increasingly eroding user trust and being primarily funded by Google to avoid a monopoly does not give me confidence either. When Google implement an anti-user feature, Mozilla have to begrudgingly implement it, and that is not a healthy ecosystem. There's a good chance that I'll move from Firefox when Ladybird reaches feature-parity, but they'll likely fall into the non-standard standar…
>When Google implement an anti-user feature, Mozilla have to begrudgingly implement it
Why would ladybird be any different? The developer is not anti corporate and is closer ideologically to Google than Mozilla.
Re: Hang on to Your Firefox
#434Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've seen people complain about Firefox in terms of performance and compatibility to justify using Chrome, but there aren't many chromium-based browsers appealing to those with ethical standards to choose from. Ecosia maybe? Ultimately is seems to come down to choosing your moral compromises more than anything.
Firefox performances have been good for so many years that I can't remember when it was the last time that I felt it to be slow. I only remember that Chrome used to be faster than FF (mainly the JS engine) and then it wasn't. Maybe it loses every single benchmark, I didn't check, but it is fast enough to be my primary browser, the one I use when I work as web developer and also when I'm not working. I run FF on a 201…
> when it was the last time that I felt it to be slow
I only have an issue because I set a big disk cache (because data cap). 8gb is fine IIRC, but 24gb causes slowdowns on startups and new tabs. (Also much more of an issue on my older laptop than my newer desktop.)
Doesn't outweigh anything tho.
Re: Hang on to Your Firefox
#435Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because otherwise you can git clone Firefox , change it's name and call it a new browser. I guess if we really get technical we could say you can fork, but need to independently implement updates going forward.
> you can fork Progress! > but need to independently implement updates going forward. That's not needed either? But since you've provided no rationale, it's hard to point out where the mistake lies. What's wrong with using known code updates as long as you remove the anti-user parts?
Because you have no control over the future of the project. If Firefox or Chrome starts going down a route where they deprecate features you need you probably won't have the expertise to keep them going.
Anyway modern browsers are too hard to build profitably I guess without anti-consumer weirdness. Might have to switch to a cli RSS reader...
Re: Hang on to Your Firefox
#436Earlier quoted context omitted.
You might still in a power usage graph.
Eh, maybe, maybe not. I watch YouTube content, not power usage graphs, perceived performance is good enough for what I do with it. If I'm on battery I'm probably not watching in 4k anyway, at which point the difference in power use should be pretty negligible.
Got curious, so I did a very unscientific experiment. Playing 3 1080 music videos in FF pulls about 60W here. In Chrome, about 50W. No videos playing is about 30W.
If it's uBlock or 3.33W, I know which I'm choosing.
Re: Hang on to Your Firefox
#437Earlier quoted context omitted.
Chrome is the only alternative unless you have access to Safari. Brave, Opera, Edge, etc are all Chromium and will all deprecate Manifest V2 eventually. The V2 mess is just one example of how Google can continue to stangle the web even if you're not using Chrome itself.
Chrome != Chromium engine Most of the Chromium-based browsers remove Google's telemetry and integrations, so if someone has a problem with Chrome "looking over my shoulder", then they have many more alternatives. And sure, Manifest V2 will disappear in all those forks, but many browsers have built-in adblocker instead, for example both Opera and Brave claim to. And other than adblockers, what else is lost in Manifest…
Google controls Chromium to the extent they can impose changes like manifest v3 and while some forks like Brave will try to circumvent such changes, it will eventually become too costly or incompatible to maintain.
It is kind of the same daydream as the Windows 11 debloaters have that if they just keep doing that, everything will be okay. That is until Microsoft implements features they can no longer fully disable, like recall, or just exercise their control to revert any changes at will.
Re: Hang on to Your Firefox
#438Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure why this is being downvoted. Do people care? What signs of this are there? Does it matter to the average person that the society is marching further and further down the road of digital monopolies and surveillance capitalism? My impression certainly is that the percentage of people who care about this is so small that it might as well be a rounding error, while on the other side I see tremendous momentum…
The userbase of Firefox existing is obvious signs of caring. You really got to go out of your way to not use chromium. The userbase grows when people help others understand these issues, or ideally just install firefox for their non techie friends and set them up with ubo. be the change you want to see.
> The userbase of Firefox existing is obvious signs of caring.
And that's pretty much a rounding error, getting smaller every year, right?
Or would you say that "most people don't care" does not apply when it's only 99% of people that don't care?
Re: Hang on to Your Firefox
#439Earlier quoted context omitted.
ladybird is passing more than 90% of the browser test suite. that's not science fiction.
Passing tests and has abysmal performance on basic web features. Not to mention how many security issues are present. Its unserious to suggest it as an alternative at this stage. It make people think they dont have to support firefox because there is alternatives just around the corner.
nobody is suggesting that it is a viable alternative, i am just arguing that it is not imaginary science fiction either
Re: Hang on to Your Firefox
#440> Meanwhile, the over thinkers on Hacker News come up with convoluted reasons to hate on Firefox every time the subject arises...Firefox is our last best hope for browser engine diversity and competition. It's exactly because Firefox is so important that you'll see people here complaining when Firefox does things to push away users like Mozilla buying up an ad-tech company, collecting data on users, and using firefox…
You'd want this browser for free, wouldn't you?
Have you donated to Mozilla Foundation?
So you're bitching because the free product that you don't support finds ways to sustain economically the hordes of developers that are trying to improve it for you.
And no, Chrome never "bought an ad-tech company, collected data on users, and used chrome to push personalized ads, or the addition of anti-features and questionable design choices that force users to hunt for and modify poorly documented settings". NEVER IN THE WORLD. That's why you use it.