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The ChatGPT/Codex app bundles a full copy of LibreOffice

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Re: The ChatGPT/Codex app bundles a full copy of LibreOffice

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Post by buran77 »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #160
fangspire wrote: post #148

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But laws are just encodes morality.

Absolutely not. It was illegal to harbour escaped slaves. Or hide Jews from the Gestapo. Laws have nothing to do with morality. Or justice.

It's not really that "absolute". Laws are not all made the same. Some start as a reflection of what society considers "right" at the time. Then the laws fall behind as society's morality reaches a tipping point. So the society pulls that part of the legal system behind it. Other laws are progressive, and they pull society's morality behind them. Some are driven by/for the majority, and some by/for the elites.

But they all reflect the morality of society to a degree, whether the democratic majority, or the powerful minority.

Re: The ChatGPT/Codex app bundles a full copy of LibreOffice

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Post by vasco »

bayindirh wrote: post #181
KronisLV wrote: post #180

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You are allowed (and encouraged) to do good things without being obligated to. I think it would be immensely cool if OpenAI donated some of that crapload of AI money to the people behind LibreOffice to help with development - and then having like a blog post about it or something would already improve the project's visibility a bit more (hey, every bit helps). What's peanuts to them could help with the sustainability…

> You are allowed (and encouraged) to do good things without being obligated to. We're absolutely on the same page with you, and I try to do my best with what I can in that regard. On the other hand, I see a perspective which thinks that companies are entitled to use everything for free and don't need to support the Free Software ecosystem because it's an externality that they don't have to care for, which bothers me…

You misread that comment so much that I'm not sure going too deep here matters much.

Re: The ChatGPT/Codex app bundles a full copy of LibreOffice

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Post by bayindirh »

vasco wrote: post #193
bayindirh wrote: post #181

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> You are allowed (and encouraged) to do good things without being obligated to. We're absolutely on the same page with you, and I try to do my best with what I can in that regard. On the other hand, I see a perspective which thinks that companies are entitled to use everything for free and don't need to support the Free Software ecosystem because it's an externality that they don't have to care for, which bothers me…

You misread that comment so much that I'm not sure going too deep here matters much.

I might have. I'm a human with a different native language. Sorry if that offended you. Was just trying my best.

Re: The ChatGPT/Codex app bundles a full copy of LibreOffice

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Post by vasco »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #160
fangspire wrote: post #148

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But laws are just encodes morality.

Absolutely not. It was illegal to harbour escaped slaves. Or hide Jews from the Gestapo. Laws have nothing to do with morality. Or justice.

Well this goes into the debate of "is morality absolute or relative" which gets religious fast and there's more books on the subject than we have time to read.

Re: The ChatGPT/Codex app bundles a full copy of LibreOffice

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Post by germandiago »

duskdozer wrote: post #167
mplewis wrote: post #146

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you people are always mixing up the legal thing to do with the right thing to do

I agree that it would be the right thing to do. Which is why you have to make the best attempt to make it the legal thing, because people looking to make money will not care about what's right. So, it makes sense to point out the disconnect when people use and promote pro-corporate licenses and then get upset when corporates follow them to the letter and provide them nothing but demands in return. If you want a mutua…

> because people looking to make money will not care about what's right

This is two-sided: making a kind of license mandatory also shrinks adoption if it is more restrictive. So, even if I acknowledge there is truth in your side of the story, there is also another at the other side, as usual.

How many people use GPL-licensed software as opposed to MIT licensed?

Re: The ChatGPT/Codex app bundles a full copy of LibreOffice

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Post by vasco »

bayindirh wrote: post #194
vasco wrote: post #193

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You misread that comment so much that I'm not sure going too deep here matters much.

I might have. I'm a human with a different native language. Sorry if that offended you. Was just trying my best.

Nobody is offended. I'm also not a native speaker.

Re: The ChatGPT/Codex app bundles a full copy of LibreOffice

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Post by Mashimo »

stackghost wrote: post #158
dnautics wrote: post #147

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No requirement doesn't mean "don't be a mensch"

I don't know what a mensch is but if they wanted to be compensated for their software they should not have released it as Free Software.

Mensch is German for Human.

Re: The ChatGPT/Codex app bundles a full copy of LibreOffice

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Post by thrdbndndn »

dofm wrote: post #106
embedding-shape wrote: post #44

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On a Windows installation I see this: PS C:\Users\user> ls C:\Users\user\.cache\codex-runtimes\codex-primary-runtime\dependencies\native\ Mode LastWriteTime Length Name ---- ------------- ------ ---- d----- 8/27/2026 10:09 AM git d----- 6/16/2026 9:18 PM jxrlib d----- 8/26/2026 7:37 PM libheif d----- 6/17/2026 5:32 AM poppler d----- 8/27/2026 10:09 AM powershell So doesn't seem bundled with all installs at least.

Is this perhaps because the aim is to read Office documents and there are (maybe, I don't know for sure) default components within Windows that can do that?

I don't think there are.

Even when you have the MS Office suite installed, it doesn't really provide a good interface for LLMs or automation, so AI tools don't really use it.

Re: The ChatGPT/Codex app bundles a full copy of LibreOffice

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Post by bonesss »

cheeze wrote: post #183
written-beyond wrote: post #105

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HOW DOES IT WORK FOR YOU PEOPLE?! Istg on windows, I can't get codex app, new chatgpt or chatgpt classic to work without hanging on even a moderately sized chat. I tried all of the different tricks people recommended but that shit just crawls. It was stable at some point, classic that is, but then it started being a laggy mess. I've uninstalled new chatgpt/codex app. I can't access phone chats on it, I can't use the…

Windows has never felt more archaic than now. I can't imagine trying to do work on a Windows machine in the age of LLMs. If there is anything that LLMs are rock solid at these days, it's unix terminal usage.

How do you work on Windows in the age of LLMs?

That’s easy: you activate WSL and then ask the LLM how to get networking and stuff working since they changed it with WSL2. You need a config file flag to setup network mirroring now.

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