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Re: Salad Theory

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I love the amount of effort that went into this, and find it very amusing. I've had similar forays into defining sandwiches, ravioli, soups, and so on, but never in such meticulous detail. But taking it seriously, a word like "salad" is best understood, IMO, as a family resemblance [0]: a group of inconsistently overlapping properties. Or, you could understand it functionally/pragmatically (a salad is what I order wh…

Yes, I actually think this sort of self-aware silliness (also hot dog sandwich, etc) could be looked at as kind of “koans” of rationality. Ultimately the goal might be to recognise that pure rationality is incompatible with the inherent nebulosity of applying “meanings” to the world, and to embrace that interplay!

Or more likely i’m overthinking it and they’re just a way to have a funny argument with friends.

Re: Salad Theory

#32
post #30

If a salad can become soup depending on how much dressing you add, where do you think the actual boundary is?

This also got me thinking. When does a soup become a smoothie (or vice versa)?

In some cases I might argue that difference could well be plating. Put a smoothie like cold soup on a plate and you have a soup.

Maybe we need to also first define smoothie.

Re: Salad Theory

#33

This is essentially just Ontology applied to mundane topics like salads: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontology It might seem trivial when debating silly topics, but when you get to the actual structure of reality, debating where one thing ends and another begins is really interesting.

It would be ontology if you consider salad (properly defined) to be part of the fundamental fabric of the universe.

Re: Salad Theory

#34

> Mathematics is the study of precisely imagined things. It's about imagining something so precisely that your idea of it is fully defined. There's no space for opinion or interpretation. Two mathematicians thinking about the same mathematical object, defined in the same way, are not thinking about two versions of it. They're actually thinking about the same object. - Rob Miles Any time I read something like this pos…

If taken 100% seriously, the post is just bad mathematics and bad linguistics. But I don't think it's intended to be rigorous work of either discipline.

But I do share the frustration regarding pedantry in mathematics, and I hate it when people mistake dictionary entries for attempts at rigorous definition.

Re: Salad Theory

#35
The author might not be aware of it but there have been extensive discussions and work about such terms in the philosophy of language in the past two decades (and earlier). I've heard whole lectures about whether fruit salad really is a salad, and the sandwich examples, too.

In my opinion, geometric meaning theories capture the associated problems fairly well, for example Conceptual Spaces. In linguistics, prototype theory and related approaches have dealt with them since the 1970s. That is not to say that the problems are solved but in my opinion many problems come from an artificial focus on logical concept decompositions and the fact that language doesn't work that way.

My 2 cents as a former philosopher who worked in this area.

Re: Salad Theory

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Ontological discussions aside, I’ll share out my recipe for one of my favorite variations of a Caesar that embraces its origins. It’s one my friends usually request I make/bring.

It’s composed of four main parts, made in this order: the the meat, the croutons, the dressing, and the leaf.

For the meat we’re making a carne asada. You’ll want a flank or a skirt steak, or anything thinner with good marbling. For the marinade use olive oil as the base. I generally do around 2 cups of olive oil for a larger serving. Don’t sweat the exact amounts for a marinade. Add around 10% Apple cider vinegar, 10% red wine vinegar, and 10% lime juice. Use garlic, cumin, black pepper, salt, smoked chipotle peppers (you can also find them in an adobo sauce which works great - skip the sugar if you use the adobo), two spoonfuls of sugar.

Blend all of it together heavily, then pour it over the steak. I like a smoothie blender for this as they tend to work better for these small batches. IMPORTANT: don’t wash the blender, we’ll use the remains each time to influence the subsequent thing. Marinate the steak for at least 2 hours.

Next we’ll make the croutons. Store bought and homemade croutons are very different. For the marinade add a full clove of garlic into our used blender, black pepper, salt, two spoonfuls of nutritional yeast, a thumb sized portion of Parmesan, and rosemary. Add oil so it fills in the gaps in the blender. The goal is a paste, not a liquid. Blend it up. Cut up the bread into slices, then tear it into chunks. The tearing creates better texture. Put the paste in a bowl, smear it all around, dump the bread into, and toss it so it’s coating all the bread. Put it in the oven on a low broil (grill for those in Australia). Careful as it can burn easily. Check it every minute til browns, toss it, then put it back in. Repeat til the outer shell is dry but the inner part is still squishy. They shouldn’t be wet. Remove and chill for 10min before adding them.

For the dressing, half olive oil, 15% lime juice, 15% white wine vinegar, 10% pepitas, 10% Parmesan. This is your base. Add an egg yolk, black pepper, a squirt of mustard. Blend it up, taste it, adjust as needed. I skip the anchovy for the Mexican vibe this salad has as I don’t think it resonates well, but by all means go for it.

Grill the steak high heat.

For the leaf any salad leaf will do, but add radish slices as well.

Toss the leaf and the dressing, top with crouts, steak, pepitas, and Parmesan. Enjoy. Should take you 60-90min of prep.

Re: Salad Theory

#37

If a salad can become soup depending on how much dressing you add, where do you think the actual boundary is?

I'd like to point out that this isn't a theoretical question.

You can add a bit of kefir to a potato-based salad, and it will remain a salad. But at one point it will actually turn into a cold kefir soup, which is a thing that exists.

Personally, I think it's the floating. As soon as first ingredient becomes buoyant (even partially), it's a soup.

Re: Salad Theory

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post #32
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This also got me thinking. When does a soup become a smoothie (or vice versa)?

In some cases I might argue that difference could well be plating. Put a smoothie like cold soup on a plate and you have a soup. Maybe we need to also first define smoothie.

Or maybe you have a cold sauce?!

You also have soups in cups. Is a gazpacho soup in a cup still a soup? Technically tomato is a fruit, so you got a cold blended fruit sauce in a cup, which to me is a smoothie.

And let’s not get started on cocktails, like the Bloody Mary. That’s just another smoothie.

Re: Salad Theory

#40
Few human concepts have strict, definable "boundaries". Things might seem obvious at first ("I know it when I see it", as stated by the US supreme court). You can take a concept, move its seemingly obvious properties into the extreme, and observe how the boundaries become blurry.

What is a car? Four wheels? What if you move two of those wheels closer together until they almost merge into one. What is a country? etc.

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