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Re: Salad Theory

#23

I’m fine with their first consideration: > A salad must be a mixture of greens. The only additional realization you need is that things like “fruit salad” and “chicken salad” are using the word “salad” figuratively . There’s no reason to expect our definition of “salad” to cover figurative usage. After all, do you really expect to cover, for instance, “word salad”?

We've got it. Hacker news is salad!

Re: Salad Theory

#24
I love the amount of effort that went into this, and find it very amusing. I've had similar forays into defining sandwiches, ravioli, soups, and so on, but never in such meticulous detail.

But taking it seriously, a word like "salad" is best understood, IMO, as a family resemblance [0]: a group of inconsistently overlapping properties. Or, you could understand it functionally/pragmatically (a salad is what I order when I want a salad), where the meaning is not derived from an internal property but from the social system that produced it.

For salad or sandwich, it's all rather unimportant, naturally. But I do think taking this step back and questioning what it even means for an utterance to have meaning can help dissolve some serious and otherwise contentious philosophical issues. ("Intelligence" seems to be a rather relevant example.)

Mathematical definition is enchanting to those of us with an inclination towards abstraction. But just because it's a noun doesn't mean it's a thing --- or at least, not a thing independently of the speaker and their community of speakers.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_resemblance

Re: Salad Theory

#25
I'm surprised to not find the word "salt" anywhere in the page. "Salad" essentially means "salted". Other words like "salsa"/sauce, and sausage share the same root: salt.

With this in mind it's more clear to me what a salad is. First you have to understand that we are talking about food preparations. A salad is not just raw ingredients on a plate. It is explicitly a preparation. Most preparations are cooked, but a salad is merely salted, or sauced, which itself contains salt.

I don't think actual salt is necessarily required, but you do need something to "bring together" the ingredients into a salad. A balsamic glaze is a good option if you are avoiding salt.

Re: Salad Theory

#26

I’m fine with their first consideration: > A salad must be a mixture of greens. The only additional realization you need is that things like “fruit salad” and “chicken salad” are using the word “salad” figuratively . There’s no reason to expect our definition of “salad” to cover figurative usage. After all, do you really expect to cover, for instance, “word salad”?

Reminds me of when I ordered Salade Marché in Paris and it was a large slice of paté with a frisson of endive on the side :-)

Re: Salad Theory

#28
As non-soup eater I am strongly against use of term soup here. Surely soup also should be relatively strongly defined. And not used as adjective for wet. Clearly soups must have some water content level. Otherwise too many things would be soup. And those clearly are not soups.

So I ask first to properly have Soup Theory before using it in relation of describing things like salads.

Re: Salad Theory

#29
I think there's a big problem with including an "untossed salad" in bounds. This is asking for trouble. Is an unbaked cake a cake? Obviously not. "Unbaked" is describing how it DIFFERS from a cake.

An untossed salad is an object which is like a salad, but that is not tossed. This means a salad must be tossed.

Re: Salad Theory

#30

If a salad can become soup depending on how much dressing you add, where do you think the actual boundary is?

This also got me thinking.

When does a soup become a smoothie (or vice versa)?

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