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Dwarf Fortress' creator says the industry's in shambles over AI

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Re: Dwarf Fortress' creator says the industry's in shambles over AI

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Post by sleight42 »

madrox wrote: post #201
QuadrupleA wrote: post #67

Love this quote, seems to apply to all software these days and maybe business generally: "They're trying to have a CEO press a button that makes a game, and then everyone else somehow buys it without a job."

If you take away the cynical edge, though, if this actually happens we're talking about an age of mom-and-pop businesses in industries that have not traditionally had them. It can't/won't be all software, but mom and pop stores were only about serving their neighborhood to begin with.

LOL no it won't because mom and pop won't be able to afford to run a business and no one would be able to afford to buy from them either.

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Post by Hikikomori »

ChoGGi wrote: post #214
msm_ wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Yeah, and by the time you get to many of those games they will feel clunky and outdated. I don't agree with what you wrote literally (I almost exclusively play old and old-ish games, and I have fun), but: >Path of Exile is a 2013 free-to-play action role-playing video game developed and published by Grinding Gear Games I'm confused. Why is your example of a modern game is a game from 2013? Most people's backlog is p…

He may have meant poe2; it came out last year? Then again the remaster of d2 was fairly recent and quite playable by my standards.

PoE is still getting new content 3 times per year, the dev is committed supporting both games for a long time.

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Post by salawat »

iamnothere wrote: post #175
bugbull wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If that were to happen on a large scale, people could band together to provide security/resistance. Oh wait. I’ve heard this one before. Just send in the national guard. A couple of well placed free speech donations with some winks and nods should be able to break that sort of terrorist organization.

If you truly believe this and aren’t just spouting off, I hope you’re either making plans to move or gearing up for the inevitable civil conflict. Given your green account I’m sure you’re just trolling.

Don't assume people are trolling. That's how we got where we are. The response to "No one could possibly be that daft..." Is "Of course they can, and they aren't going to disappear if you ignore them."

Re: Dwarf Fortress' creator says the industry's in shambles over AI

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Post by floro »

teamonkey wrote: post #114
neutronicus wrote: post #35

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I think they just want, broadly, to divest from the American tech work force, whether that's via AI or outsourcing. If "the remaining employees just collapse" it's a data point in support of the thesis that developing software in HCOL markets is unsustainable, and if they don't, margins are better! So I think decision-makers are seeing layoffs as win/win.

Yes, absolutely. US games developers are paid a lot more than elsewhere. There has been a growing trend over the past couple of decades to outsource more and more game development to cheaper parts of the world, trending towards keeping only a small core team in the home country, supported by for-hire remote developers in Eastern Europe and Asia. The other big advantage to work for hire is not needing to keep a large…

Keeping a small core team local and outsourcing the bulk of workers, that's exactly what every company I know of seems to do these days. Not just in game development but generally. It's the biggest reason for layoffs today.

It's honestly disgusting that governments don't protect their citizens from this. Companies do this because it saves them money. Tax the hell out of them for every outsourced worker and this will all go away.

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Post by protocolture »

tstrimple wrote: post #217
protocolture wrote: post #188

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Todd Howard gets a lot of flak from the bethesda fanbase, but I reckon whoever replaces Todd Howard is guaranteed to be worse.

I don't know that we want to resort to comparing which sellout is worse.

Todd might be a sellout, but he still seems to act with a certain level of regard to the properties he helped bring up when the business was just some weird dudes. Whoever replaces him will likely be a microsoft bean counter with zero attachment.

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Post by archagon »

tayo42 wrote: post #207
archagon wrote: post #178

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It's a huge mistake to think that indie teams would make better games if only they could balloon their projects to AAA-size. Some of the most meaningful and engrossing gaming experiences of my life have come from 1-3 person teams, especially over the past few years. Meanwhile, the vast majority of AAA titles just feel like time-filling entertainment chow to me: fun-shaped but ultimately pointless. I would strongly ar…

Which games we're those?

Recently Silksong, Celeste, Rhythm Doctor, Star of Providence, Spelunky 2, then classics like Fez, Cave Story, La Mulana, and many more...

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Post by 2000UltraDeluxe »

Foreskin_Mafia wrote: post #199
true_religion wrote: post #100

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Namely... every society in existence before the year 1496. Our current form of property rights includes copyright, which had no formal treatment until the city of Venice issued a decree that fined anyone who printed an author's work without direct permission. Previous to that, the effort of copying a book was seen as so high, that one deserved reward simply for doing that. In fact, there were times that copying books…

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Correlation != causation

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Post by dalyons »

tzs wrote: post #225
dalyons wrote: post #165

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Is that supposed to be an example of a good decision? Outside the US hybrids are quickly becoming irrelevant. The decision is looking like it will cost Toyota the crown

Worldwide outside the US BEVs are about 16% of new car sales (BEVs + PHEVs are about 25%). Hybrids are still going to be relevant worldwide for quite a while.

The peak of ICE car sales (which includes hybrids) was in 2017 and it’s been downhill since then, and it’s going to plummet from here as EV share keeps growing rapidly. Bev share is growing significantly faster than hybrid. I personally wouldn’t be betting my company on a rapidly shrinking market

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Post by vuurmot »

bob1029 wrote: post #125

Game dev is the last thing I think will be genuinely disrupted by AI. It can do everything at the edges with superhuman ability, but the core magic happens in the scene where all the disparate systems come together to provide the final experience. Working in arbitrary world space is pretty much the hardest thing I can imagine asking an LLM to do. I also think things like animation, sfx and mastering will never be dis…

there already tons of interesting games generated over at www.reddit.com/r/aigamedev

I think it is over

Re: Dwarf Fortress' creator says the industry's in shambles over AI

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Post by ChrisRR »

newtonianrules wrote: post #5

Does it seem like companies just aren’t that well run anymore? I mean, companies seem to be having massive layoffs and placing ever more work on the remaining employees. At what point will the remaining employees just collapse? Are we just reverting to the mean after years of zero interest rate policy? Would love for folks with experience working in tech in the 90s and 00s especially to chime in.

It's not a new phenomenon. Companies have been dying for as long as companies have existed
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