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Re: Hang on to Your Firefox

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The dismissal of gendered language as politics is arguably “defensible” in a “I wrote this in a way that allows me to hide behind it” sort of way. It was wrong and needlessly dismissive in a way that clearly communicates he disagrees to anyone who understands typical internet discourse tactics. If he really did not want “political drama” or whatever there are far more effective ways to handle it that don't allow you…

If I was dealing with the same type of "person" that's only "contribution" to every github repo is to just go and ask for language policing I would intentionally be as prickly as possibly to them while telling them no.

Then you’d be a bad steward.

Re: Hang on to Your Firefox

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The dismissal of gendered language as politics is arguably “defensible” in a “I wrote this in a way that allows me to hide behind it” sort of way. It was wrong and needlessly dismissive in a way that clearly communicates he disagrees to anyone who understands typical internet discourse tactics. If he really did not want “political drama” or whatever there are far more effective ways to handle it that don't allow you…

There is absolutely nothing constructive about removing "gendered language". He was absolutely right to shut that nonsense down.

You’re literally doing what I described. You’re not even attempting to understand the issue,

Re: Hang on to Your Firefox

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I don’t know you, but most people I work with for some reason keep so many tabs open, the tab bar is squeezed so you can barely see a favicon Probably due to my age, I religiously close every tab after I read it. If that gets more than a dozen, I literally quit the browser and declare bankruptcy because it’s not worth it to sort through the mess of tabs I clearly am not using. Firefox is old too. I’m sure it could ma…

Nothing makes me happier than holding down ^W at the end of the day.

I also discovered the joy of shift-selecting a big range of tabs and pressing ^W only once. It also feels pretty good, but in a slightly different way...

Re: Hang on to Your Firefox

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Firefox is shit because Mozilla is run by garbage people. I have used Firefox for 10 years; for many years I was on nightly to help testing.

Their ui was bad, they could not get ui locks up issue fixed for many years, and instead of focusing on core browser, they time and spend money on bullshit. Kick out technical people like Eich, pays useless Baker 6M while market where keeping crashing.

I'll still happily recurring donate money to Firefox, but not to Mozilla. Mozilla makes it impossible.

Firefox is a lost cause, overtaken by mentally ill sjws. That's the reason it can not compete with chrome even though firefox always had a soft spot in everyone's heart back in those times. They also failed to capture new generation.

Ladybird is the answer. A true diversity in the world of browsers; focused on making the best software instead of playing politics and paying 6M to useless CEO.

It is still not ready but that's fine.

Re: Hang on to Your Firefox

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> If the goal is browser diversity, is the answer really Firefox? Or is it one of the active in development projects from people who are motivated to do something new? The former. Ladybird is currently not practically usable, it is unclear whether it will ever catch up to the main engines, and even if it does, it is unclear whether it will ever reach the market share that Firefox has. It is a nice project but science…

ladybird is passing more than 90% of the browser test suite. that's not science fiction.

the acid test is surfing the web. it doesn't matter how many tests it passes if users can't get to the sites they want and use them the way they want because their browser doesn't support some feature properly or because gets rejected by the sites for not being Chrome/Safari/Firefox.

Re: Hang on to Your Firefox

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Who complains about sync thought? What tilts me is Pocket, AI features, integrated ads, and a plethora of other random acquisitions and side projects that constitute outsized expenses yet do zilch to drive adoption. I also used to be a Thunderbird lover, but I was forced to ditch it due to crippling freezes, crashes, and slowdown when you have a lot of emails. Mozilla just feels like an awful steward of their project…

Totally agree they lose focus and spend a lot of time on things that are questionable. But again, they do release things that are super useful. There are probably people out there who like pocket. As for AI, as much as I was raising my eyebrow, I watched a whole threat of people the other day raving about Kagi’s AI implementation. Maybe Mozilla will make something useful shrug

Pocket (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_(service) for those who aren't aware of it) is an excellent example:

1. Pocket was an external company, which Mozilla bought (and claimed they would open source), which already had a web extension. There was no need for the pre-acquisition integration, or to buy it later on.

2. After buying it, Mozilla did nothing with it, including failing to open source it, and seemingly failed to get enough revenue from that they shut it down last year.

This saga provided no benefit to Firefox users who did not use pocket, and at best for pocket users left them with a dying solution that they would need to migrate from (given the failure to open source it). It's not clear how much Mozilla paid for Pocket, but those funds could have been spent on something more valuable.

Re: Hang on to Your Firefox

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Line Mode Browser has some features that have not been found anywhere else. (In some cases, old version of Firefox can be hacked to support a few of them, such as that URLs entered by the user are treated as relative to the current document; Lynx doesn't do that. But, there are also such things as the ability to pipe the output to another program, directly invoking HTTP methods, display a numbered list of links in the current document (also should be easy to do in most web browsers by adding an extension), direct cache management, etc.) I would rather avoid many of the features that Firefox and Chrome have, including CSS, JavaScripts (although JavaScript codes entered by the end user can be useful for the purpose of querying JSON data returned by the server, because such a situation is common enough to be worth), favicons, HSTS, etc, but include some features such as TLS 1.3. Some features that would be useful, I don't see anywhere, such as displaying a table of contents menu based on the etc in the HTML, commands to sort tables, saving form data to the local disk and later recalling it, calling external programs to edit text, etc. However, they just put too much stuff and make it more complicated than it should be, and many of the actual useful features are omitted. I don't want inline pictures, videos, etc either. However, some of the web developer tools can be useful, because e.g. you can display a list of the network requests.

Re: Hang on to Your Firefox

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> they don't have the theory of mind to distinguish between what they care about and what the average user cares about. The average user doesn't really understand what a browser is, or how it works, and will never bother to look for an alternative to whatever default browser shipped with their OS. If Firefox plans on surviving by appealing to that audience they're doomed to fail. Firefox got what success it's had by…

This is complete revisionist history. Mozilla actually did the dang thing with project Quantum which was a massive overhaul of performance and stability when the browser was arguably at its lowest point in terms of a performance gap with Google Chrome They completely revitalized the browser and... kept losing market share. Because it's 99% about distribution and Chrome was distributed by the world's most visited webs…

And killed its add-on ecosystem. If the choice is between (as it was then) a slower browser missing the add-ons you were used to, and a faster browser missing the add-ons you were used to, then you're going to need some other motivation to stick with (as I did, to be clear) the slower browser.

Re: Hang on to Your Firefox

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Chrome is the only alternative unless you have access to Safari. Brave, Opera, Edge, etc are all Chromium and will all deprecate Manifest V2 eventually. The V2 mess is just one example of how Google can continue to stangle the web even if you're not using Chrome itself.

Chrome != Chromium engine Most of the Chromium-based browsers remove Google's telemetry and integrations, so if someone has a problem with Chrome "looking over my shoulder", then they have many more alternatives. And sure, Manifest V2 will disappear in all those forks, but many browsers have built-in adblocker instead, for example both Opera and Brave claim to. And other than adblockers, what else is lost in Manifest…

> Chrome != Chromium engine

This exactly what I disagree with and I think I supported my argument quite clearly. The more we say "Chrome is not Chromium" the more stuff like V2 will happen. At some point we need to admit that the dominance of Chromium does in fact give Google power over the web

Re: Hang on to Your Firefox

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It's not an either/or situation. For many years now people have been begging Mozilla to allow them to give money to help fund firefox (and only firefox) but Mozilla has refused. I can't promise that allowing it would provide all the funds they need, but certainly every little bit helps. People could continue to contribute code to the project, but that requires a lot more time, effort, and no small amount of skill com…

There is no precedent for donations on the scale of what Mozilla gets from search licensing. The best online fundraising drive on the planet is Wikipedia with orders of magnitude more users and they don't raise half of what Mozilla spends on keeping up with Google. It's not the panacea people keep assuming it is, it's just one of many accusations that gets flung at the wall.

Except Thunderbird now does run on donations (though is looking a relevant additional funding sources, e.g. providing hosted email: https://www.tb.pro/en-US/). This is not to say Mozilla can't seek out other sources of money, or develop appropriate ancillary services, but the absence of an option to just give money for Firefox (and Firefox only) is noticeable.
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