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Re: Hang on to Your Firefox

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Post by cpburns2009 »

s3p wrote: post #302
stephen_g wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use Firefox and I like it (especially being able to use uBlock Origin), but I really dislike what Mozilla has become over the last ten years or so. I think that's the key distinction, I can mostly manage Mozilla's crap by turning off a bunch of stuff in my Firefox settings, but I think it's really important for the web to not use a Chromium based browser.

But they have to make money. Else they go away. I don't understand how people think Mozilla can just exist and be permanently solvent forever

Mozilla's not exactly short on funds. They take in at least $500,000,000 every year.

Re: Hang on to Your Firefox

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Post by cute_boi »

xgulfie wrote: post #100
nickthegreek wrote: post #97

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that’s a bold statement, and my googling has not returned results that verify this claim. can you provide any context?

Here's a fun example https://archive.is/ZtQpj Another funny moment from this guy https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/6814#issuecommen...

what is wrong about it? I have issue with diversity that it allows someone to game the whole system. Diversity, Equity and Inclusion looks very good on paper, but in real world implementation it fails abysmally. I can tell because some of my friend who don't know anything got into companies by the same diversity and highly talented friend were rejected.

Re: Hang on to Your Firefox

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Post by cute_boi »

mhitza wrote: post #13
hx8 wrote: post #6

I am under the impression that Firefox is the only web browser which has access to quality ad blocker. Am I incorrect in this? How is this not enough of a selling point for everyone to switch to it?

Brave's adblocker does a good job. As far as I know Firefox started using some of the Rust written components of that engine. Interestingly on fingerprinting test websites, Brave also did significantly better than Firefox + PrivacyBadger + ublock Origin + one or two more which I forgot. When I ran some tests a couple months back.

To me helium the best browser right now.

Re: Hang on to Your Firefox

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Post by unloader6118 »

emacdona wrote: post #210
zamadatix wrote: post #143

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Firefox probably has the best support of the best ad blocker (uBO), which is really nice in a lot of ways, but whether or not that means it can be the only "quality" one is completely subjective. Keep in mind the typical user doesn't care enough to go install any ad blocker, let alone debate the differences between the top implementations.

> Keep in mind the typical user doesn't care enough to go install any ad blocker I hate that you are right about this :-) It really hit home for me today. My project manager was sharing her screen so we could see the free planning poker webapp our team uses. I had it open locally on my machine. She had ads, I did not. She's not a programmer, but she _is_ technical. She's worked adjacent to programmers for many years,…

> I hate that you are right about this :-)

I love this. Many ADs are blockable because they don't care adblocker.

If everybody use an Adblocker, they will come up with something even harder to block. This is engineering time arm race.

Re: Hang on to Your Firefox

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Post by cute_boi »

bigyabai wrote: post #84
cromka wrote: post #16

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Brave is even better since the ad engine is actually built in (lower level) and written in Rust if memory serves me well. And before anyone says anything about crypto: pay a small fee for Brave Origin or use it for free on Linux.

> pay a small fee for Brave Origin "Hey, we recognize that normal Brave is exploitative and user-hostile by default. We'll fix it if you pay us $59.99 in mutual acknowledgement that you're a chump who can't install UBO." I'm glad (and unsurprised) that Brave's vision for the web never hit the big leagues.

Maintaining browser takes a lot of effort. And, fighting with google implementation takes it to whole new level. $60 is very reasonable amount as it is a lifetime license.

Re: Hang on to Your Firefox

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Post by nosioptar »

cdnsteve wrote: post #197

Didn't firefox have a TOS changed where they own all your content? Update: To whoever downvoted this, go read: https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1iyuvjf/introducin...

Re-read the top comment in the link you posted as well as the Mozilla blog post. It says you give Mozilla a license, not ownership of your content.

Dont get me wrong, I object to anything and everything they'd be doing that requires a license to my private data. Fuck that and fuck Mozilla. I just think it's important to be accurate when calling out scummy techbros on their bullshit.

Re: Hang on to Your Firefox

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Post by exsol »

nicoburns wrote: post #138

For those interested in how the alternative browsers are doing, I just put up an alternative to https://wpt.fyi (displays the WPT test results of each browser) which is IMO easier to navigate, and shows Servo / Ladybird by default: https://blitz.is/wpt The headline results are: - Chrome 94.7% (1053647/1112582) - Firefox 90.6% (1008073/1112582) - Safari TP 88.7% ( 987377/1112582) - Ladybird 84.2% ( 937019/1112582) - S…

nice to see someone else fighting with the same suite. i run css part of WPT on pdf engine (paged output, no js) and hit most of the same problems.

https://reflowpdf.com/conformance

Re: Hang on to Your Firefox

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Post by glenstein »

cpburns2009 wrote: post #321
s3p wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they have to make money. Else they go away. I don't understand how people think Mozilla can just exist and be permanently solvent forever

Mozilla's not exactly short on funds. They take in at least $500,000,000 every year.

And it probably costs something like 80% of that to build and maintain a browser and they probably spend less than Google.

Re: Hang on to Your Firefox

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Post by stogot »

s3p wrote: post #302
stephen_g wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use Firefox and I like it (especially being able to use uBlock Origin), but I really dislike what Mozilla has become over the last ten years or so. I think that's the key distinction, I can mostly manage Mozilla's crap by turning off a bunch of stuff in my Firefox settings, but I think it's really important for the web to not use a Chromium based browser.

But they have to make money. Else they go away. I don't understand how people think Mozilla can just exist and be permanently solvent forever

Look how they spend money, plenty of articles on it, and it makes me hesitate to donate

Re: Hang on to Your Firefox

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Post by usernomdeguerre »

qsera wrote: post #299
culi wrote: post #259

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Chrome is the only alternative unless you have access to Safari. Brave, Opera, Edge, etc are all Chromium and will all deprecate Manifest V2 eventually. The V2 mess is just one example of how Google can continue to stangle the web even if you're not using Chrome itself.

>Chrome is the only alternative The future looks pretty clear to me. We will have to use two browsers. One government approved, google (or some other thing) vetted browser for all the official and banking stuff. One other for all the other causal stuff. This would be bundled as a single package, with something like firefox containers automatically switching to the "approved" browser based on domain loaded in the tab.

Once a browser is "Government Approved" all the other are 'Unapproved' ipso facto. There's nothing clear about that future, imo.
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