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Show HN: HN Match Maker – Matching "Who Wants to Be Hired?" With "Who's Hiring?"

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Re: Show HN: HN Match Maker – Matching "Who Wants to Be Hired?" With "Who's Hiring?"

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Post by all2 »

rgbrgb wrote: post #2

this is cool! incidentally we do a similar motion internally for members on https://www.hedgy.works how did you think about evaluating quality when designing your ranker / fit scoring?

"quality" here is such an abstract thing.

There's a few metrics: seniority, salary range, enumerated skills (as requirements or as a person's skill set), and domain specific knowledge.

These are far from perfect, and I think in the future I will probably tweak how matches are scored, because how job postings are written and how 'Who Wants to Be Hired?" posts are at odds.

The former is one-to-many, where the job posting enumerates very specific requirements in order to filter that 'many' down to as few eligible candidates as possible.

The latter is one-to-many, where the 'I'm for hire' posting seeks to match as many of the 'many's as possible. This means down playing domain experience or specific technologies in order to appeal to as many possible viewers as possible.

Trying to pair 'precise and specific' with 'as general as humanly possible' is ... hard. Here we use 'tags' extracted from postings to match the domains and skills together. It isn't perfect. From what I've seen in this first run there aren't any matches that make it over 50% -- where 50% is a heuristic for the metrics mentioned above. This just means there's room for improvement.

The other side is the old game of 'tailor your resume to the job', which isn't in the spirit of 'Who Wants to Be Hired?' posts. You could very easily game this by just dumping a bunch of keywords into your post.

Re: Show HN: HN Match Maker – Matching "Who Wants to Be Hired?" With "Who's Hiring?"

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Post by all2 »

syngrog66 wrote: post #3

are you paying the original post authors for republishing their content?

I'm confused. How do you figure this is a thing that needs to be done?

I guess this boils down to the Copyright of posts on HN, and what is considered to be fair use.

No, I'm not paying anyone. The compute is on my own dime and I'm not making any money off of this.

Re: Show HN: HN Match Maker – Matching "Who Wants to Be Hired?" With "Who's Hiring?"

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Post by all2 »

I left an incomplete section in the post body, then went shopping.

So here it is:

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Some observations when looking at the matches pair up right now:

- individuals looking for jobs have extremely general postings

- companies looking to hire have extremely specific postings

- generally, match scores are very low (- individuals don't typically mention domain knowledge in any specific way

- individuals don't typically mention prior work history beyond time-in-industry (this makes sense on a public forum)

- individuals typically list technologies used

I don't have any conclusions to make right now, no advice for job posters or job seekers. It'll take two or three more of these before I've seen enough to start gelling the domain problems in my head.

Re: Show HN: HN Match Maker – Matching "Who Wants to Be Hired?" With "Who's Hiring?"

#24

Post by e12e »

all2 wrote: post #23

I left an incomplete section in the post body, then went shopping. So here it is: --- Some observations when looking at the matches pair up right now: - individuals looking for jobs have extremely general postings - companies looking to hire have extremely specific postings - generally, match scores are very low ( - individuals don't typically mention domain knowledge in any specific way - individuals don't typically…

> It'll take two or three more of these before I've seen enough to start gelling the domain problems in my head.

I don't understand - there's years of historical data to look at?

Re: Show HN: HN Match Maker – Matching "Who Wants to Be Hired?" With "Who's Hiring?"

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Post by all2 »

e12e wrote: post #24
all2 wrote: post #23

I left an incomplete section in the post body, then went shopping. So here it is: --- Some observations when looking at the matches pair up right now: - individuals looking for jobs have extremely general postings - companies looking to hire have extremely specific postings - generally, match scores are very low ( - individuals don't typically mention domain knowledge in any specific way - individuals don't typically…

> It'll take two or three more of these before I've seen enough to start gelling the domain problems in my head. I don't understand - there's years of historical data to look at?

I suppose I could look backwards instead of forwards.

Tbf, at this hour, it hadn't even occurred to me.

Re: Show HN: HN Match Maker – Matching "Who Wants to Be Hired?" With "Who's Hiring?"

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Post by coherentpony »

all2 wrote: post #25
e12e wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It'll take two or three more of these before I've seen enough to start gelling the domain problems in my head. I don't understand - there's years of historical data to look at?

I suppose I could look backwards instead of forwards. Tbf, at this hour, it hadn't even occurred to me.

> Tbf, at this hour, it hadn't even occurred to me.

I am refreshed when I such honesty like this.

No defensive quip. No snarky response.

A gentle reminder that we are all human and we get tired and miss things.

Re: Show HN: HN Match Maker – Matching "Who Wants to Be Hired?" With "Who's Hiring?"

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Post by dvt »

This is neat! What I would do is I would have a list of tags and make sure every post gets pigeonholed into those because otherwise it might be hard to match tags if extracted on a per-post basis (e.g. I see `large-scale data systems` for a job listing, which will rarely match a candidate because it's so wordy).

Cool product though.

Re: Show HN: HN Match Maker – Matching "Who Wants to Be Hired?" With "Who's Hiring?"

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Post by dvt »

nrmitchi wrote: post #4

> If you've submitted a post to this month's 'Who Wants to Be Hired?", you can find your matching job listings at https://hnmatchmaker.com/user/:user_name , for example https://hnmatchmaker.com/user/G4Vi I'm sure you mean well but as someone who has considered posting on who wants to be hired in the past.... this is creepy AF and feels like a giant invasion of privacy. If you did it privately , or authenticated peopl…

> this is creepy AF and feels like a giant invasion of privacy

People have been building HN job listing scrapers for years. Heck, I built one over a decade ago[1] (though it's offline now). This is a very common "Show HN:" project, and the argument that it's somehow bad faith and creepy is just absolutely nuts when posting on a public forum, specifically to get more exposure.

[1] https://github.com/dvx/hackjob

Re: Show HN: HN Match Maker – Matching "Who Wants to Be Hired?" With "Who's Hiring?"

#30

Post by all2 »

dvt wrote: post #28

This is neat! What I would do is I would have a list of tags and make sure every post gets pigeonholed into those because otherwise it might be hard to match tags if extracted on a per-post basis (e.g. I see `large-scale data systems` for a job listing, which will rarely match a candidate because it's so wordy). Cool product though.

This is something I'm considering. I was thinking we could probably hum it in with plain old vector embeddings, maybe?
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