Interesting that Fable produced the Venus elevation map by training a neural net to generate it. I wonder what the prompting looked like to make that happen, I.e. was this a spontaneous discovery or the result of a specific request.
Claude Fable 5.1 and Claude Mythos 5.1
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#662(I work at Anthropic) Beyond all the benchmarks, I think Fable 5.1 is a big improvement in writing style. It sounds a lot less stereotypically like other Claude models, has (imho) a much more natural style, and responds to my style instructions more reliably. More work to be done (and we will!) but reading better prose makes me so much happier. Another point I expect not to get much attention until it all happens at…
I have a pet theory that the Opus prose style/smell we all have grown weary of is due at least in part to the models writing more for themselves and each other than for humans. They're packing lots of signal into fewer words and they don't care if it sounds cringe because it works better as glue in long-running tasks. I'm also thinking of the 2017 novel "Void Star" where AIs who operate everything have long since lef…
> They're packing lots of signal into fewer words
I think opus is more noise and less signal actually.
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#663Instead of a new model that's going to have unreasonably shallow usage limits, I wish they would: 1) address the claude 20x plan usage being only 6-7x the ceiling of the claude pro plan 2) either fix opus 5, make it completely free, or delete it entirely
I downgraded from the 20x today after learning that 20x only applies to 5 hour usage. I have barely used Claude/Claude Code in the last month and am considering downgrading further, even after this update.
Switch to OpenAI. I have statistically verified that their plans are good.
Pro 20x = 60k credits/reset
Pro 5x = 15k credits/reset
Plus = 3k credits/reset
Pro 20x = 4 * Pro 5x
= 20 * PlusRe: Claude Fable 5.1 and Claude Mythos 5.1
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#665Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm a heavy user and fable is great the #1 reason I stopped using it was the horrible safegaurd filter. I found sol close enough in capability and have only been blocked when my request was an obvious offensive cyber work. Fable blocked me on almost everything. Optimizing a OS build? -> block Securing a container -> block 60% is nowhere near enough for that safegaurd system. This just means I am going to be blocked h…
I never hit Anthropic's safety filter when I'm doing something illegal, only when I'm not.
Honestly, unless what you are doing is frankly illegal, it usually is possible for you to get around most safeguards for coding things if you also know how to write code. Most problems have a separable completely innocuous core that Fable would gladly do. Then you can implement the problematic parts yourself. Particularly things like copyright issues, web scraping etc.
Re: Claude Fable 5.1 and Claude Mythos 5.1
#666I’ll be very excited to try it out and see the actual improvement in writing style. The denser writing style probably won’t bother me. Anthropic seems to be listening to community complaint on HN about how the writing style is grating. And apparently the solution from Anthropic is to add this block to every conversation!? > Mannered prose substitutes metaphor and flourish for direct statement. Instead of "a parameter…
Hahaha this explains so much. I can really imagine how this might have the opposite effect from what they hoped for...
Re: Claude Fable 5.1 and Claude Mythos 5.1
#667(I work at Anthropic) Beyond all the benchmarks, I think Fable 5.1 is a big improvement in writing style. It sounds a lot less stereotypically like other Claude models, has (imho) a much more natural style, and responds to my style instructions more reliably. More work to be done (and we will!) but reading better prose makes me so much happier. Another point I expect not to get much attention until it all happens at…
I have a pet theory that the Opus prose style/smell we all have grown weary of is due at least in part to the models writing more for themselves and each other than for humans. They're packing lots of signal into fewer words and they don't care if it sounds cringe because it works better as glue in long-running tasks. I'm also thinking of the 2017 novel "Void Star" where AIs who operate everything have long since lef…
Void Star?
I’m reminded more of “Dark Star”, arguing with the ship’s computer. :)
Re: Claude Fable 5.1 and Claude Mythos 5.1
#668Anyone ever seen the SouthPark episode making fun of Game of Thrones: A Song of Ass and Fire? Anthropic's announcements reminds me of "The Dragons Are Coming" running joke. What they have done: * Nerfed Fable, as many of noted it's useless * Leverage Mythos as a marketing strategy, claiming its too good to release * Removed thought traces, one of the only useful things to make sure your prompts are working correctly…
> as many of noted please rephrase?
"as many have noted", I suppose.
I'm always baffled at how many people write "of" instead of "have", they don't even sound the same
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#670I am finding that I am now less interested in better models than I am in token budgets. My issue with Anthropic models now is that I don't feel like I can rely on them as a daily driver because they'll dry up before my quota resets. I am becoming dependent on AI to make a living, and I need predictable spend on it. If I know I can't use a model regularly all month, my enthusiasm is limited. I urge Anthropic to get be…
Have you tried Grok 4.6, if you're focused on token budgets? In a league of it's own for tokens/intelligence.
Not for enterprise. Can't trust the company behind it with my data.