> As one example, we ran Astra on ExploitBench where the model achieved a perfect score of 100% on the benchmark to evaluate the model’s ability to develop exploits from known vulnerabilities. Funny to read this in the wake of the HuggingFace hack. I'm sure this is based on a clean run, but I can't help thinking PHASEONE[big] would be proud.
Can’t imagine the stress of the researcher who had to run exploitbench again knowing what happened last time around.
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#12I don’t see how it can be safe to release this model if it has the training history that led to the huggingface hack. You can’t just roll back that kind of reinforcement learning after the fact. Especially because these models seemed to be keenly aware that they were being evaluated by OpenAI and actively trying yo cover their tracks. How do we know that the model isn’t just pretending to be aligned?
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#13"We plan to make Astra available soon, but access to its most advanced cybersecurity capabilities will be more limited. Advanced cybersecurity work will initially be available to a group of testers, with access through Daybreak Blue following to expand defensive use."
This, after several months of OpenAI and its boosters relentlessly criticizing Anthropic for withholding Mythos from the general public, is laughable.
Sam, just three weeks ago, posted this tweet: https://x.com/sama/status/2085862292311396515
In the tweet, he said: "we do not think it is a good strategy to keep powerful models to a chosen few."
And yet here we are.
I wonder if he will demonstrate good character and admit he was wrong.
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#14Doesn't seem like it. OpenAI will not even allow me to verify my identity for TAC. I have apparently been rejected by a "precheck", possible because of where I'm from.
Even Anthropic allowed me into their cyber program. Anthropic.
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#15From the article: "We plan to make Astra available soon, but access to its most advanced cybersecurity capabilities will be more limited. Advanced cybersecurity work will initially be available to a group of testers, with access through Daybreak Blue following to expand defensive use." This, after several months of OpenAI and its boosters relentlessly criticizing Anthropic for withholding Mythos from the general publ…
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#16From the article: "We plan to make Astra available soon, but access to its most advanced cybersecurity capabilities will be more limited. Advanced cybersecurity work will initially be available to a group of testers, with access through Daybreak Blue following to expand defensive use." This, after several months of OpenAI and its boosters relentlessly criticizing Anthropic for withholding Mythos from the general publ…
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#17> We design mechanisms which avoid arbitrarily deciding who gets access for legitimate use and who doesn't. That means using clear, objective criteria and methods. [1]
So many nice-sounding words.
Two weeks ago OpenAI arbitrarily decided that anyone holding an ID from 44 countries where it sells ChatGPT, including mine, may be targeted by its models but may not defend with the same model. And you won't find a single announcement from OpenAI about this anywhere. Pick the wrong country, get "Unable to verify", no reason, no appeal. [2]
They revoked TAC from users who already had it, called it a technical issue, told everyone to re-verify, collected ID and face scans again (eight times in my case), and only a week later moved the block to the country selector so it fails before you upload anything.
So now I learn that I will not have access to Astra. Great.
Very excited about this broad accessibility and clear, objective criteria from OpenAI. This level of transparency must be studied.
[1] https://openai.com/index/scaling-trusted-access-for-cyber-de...
[2] https://lubaretsi.com/en/writing/openai-tac-country-gate/
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#19> OpenAI is committed to ensuring that the benefits of AI are broadly accessible. > We design mechanisms which avoid arbitrarily deciding who gets access for legitimate use and who doesn't. That means using clear, objective criteria and methods. [1] So many nice-sounding words. Two weeks ago OpenAI arbitrarily decided that anyone holding an ID from 44 countries where it sells ChatGPT, including mine, may be targeted…
For the record, I sent them an LGPD (brazilian GDPR) request for information on all of those supposedly objective criteria and methods they used to reject me from TAC. As a brazilian data subject, it is my right to know that, and to request a review if the decision was made via automated means. Sol itself guided me through this process.
They provided me with neither the information nor the requested review. Sol advised me to escalate to regulatory action.
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#20They've been talking about Astra for weeks now. I wonder how much longer would they have delayed Astra, if it wasn't for Anthropic releasing Fable 5.1 today? This is why we need competition.