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Post by orsenthil »

orsenthil wrote: post #204

Just remove the open collective link. Point to your homepage where the motivated donors will certainly pay. You already should know how many of the motivated users actually care about donations. The goal of this story and publishing it in HN seems to catch more eyeballs and marketing of Ankidroid, under new leadership. All I am suggesting is, just play along with Google. No harm here. I am sorry, if I am wrong. Happy…

> The goal of this story and publishing it in HN seems to catch more eyeballs and marketing of Ankidroid, under new leadership

Ugly and wrong. I am sorry.

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Post by einpoklum »

forshaper wrote: post #95
brainwad wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So the "trap door" here is just that you can't buy a phone and immediately start loading apps I'm sorry, I thought I owned the phone I bought, and had a right to decide what software I want on it whenever I want.

It's still surprising to me how fast we lost ownership norms, and most seem satisfied with renting the right to be a sort of peasant.

About that... you might be interested that private property ownership in general is the result of similar kinds of onerous and exploitative processes. Anthropologists and historians have done a bunch of research on this for a while, and one of the interesting narrative texts about this is Engels'

Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State (based on Lewis Herny Morgan's work) https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-fami...

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Post by neves »

alerighi wrote: post #133
neves wrote: post #94

Digital infrastructure became so important that it must be regulated. We can't leave app stores at the whim of mega corporations.

Nooo what you are saying communist. I also think so, but each time someone (typically the EU) does something in the direction (e.g. digital market act) the US government, companies and citizens accuse us to be communists, against progress, that we overregulate, that the "free market" regulates by itself, and similar bullshit.

The irony is that just in communist China the corporations must submit to the Government.

You may argue that it is terrible. They don't have a democratic gov. But the alternative looks worse every day.

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Post by mplewis »

charcircuit wrote: post #229
neves wrote: post #94

Digital infrastructure became so important that it must be regulated. We can't leave app stores at the whim of mega corporations.

Just because Google built something valuable that doesn't mean the government should take control of it. This line of reasoning also leads to the government taking over YouTube and changing the rules there due to how "important" it is.

you're not making a good argument for privatization lol

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Post by mplewis »

alerighi wrote: post #133
neves wrote: post #94

Digital infrastructure became so important that it must be regulated. We can't leave app stores at the whim of mega corporations.

Nooo what you are saying communist. I also think so, but each time someone (typically the EU) does something in the direction (e.g. digital market act) the US government, companies and citizens accuse us to be communists, against progress, that we overregulate, that the "free market" regulates by itself, and similar bullshit.

"Everything I don't like is communism"

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Post by schubidubiduba »

megagpt3 wrote: post #177
devsda wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The goal is not to prevent a Google monopoly. The goal is to have competition to prevent Google abusing its monopoly to lock down users. There is Samsung Galaxy store.There is Xiaomi store.There was Amazon app store which failed to gain traction as it was not pre-installed but had decent number of apps. This is even before we get to open stores like F-droid. Now their viability is a question in the long term, if Goog…

Google doesn't have complete discretion. On Samsung phones, Samsung's discretion overrides Google's. On Xiaomi phones, Xiaomi's discretion overrides Google's.

Not really. Google sets strict boundaries for smartphone brands on what they can do software-wise. For instance, iirc, shipping the phone primarily with a non-Google alternative ROM means you won't get any play services on them, even if you want to have a secondary version with a standard Google ROM.

Google has essentially full control. Because they own security updates. Because banking apps already now often do not work without Google services. Etc. Etc.

It is a monopoly (regarding Android app developers), and is increasingly exploiting that to cash in.

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Post by cube00 »

josmar wrote: post #247

My next phone won't be an android, but a Linux phone, and I'll keep this old phone as a secondary device for banking apps.

> I'll keep this old phone as a secondary device for banking apps

Our bank has just bumped the minimum Android level again to the point where the Play Store reviews are flooded with people complaining they can only access their banking via the web now.

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Post by schubidubiduba »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #76
brainwad wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can install from other stores (AnkiDroid is on F-Droid, for example), or from direct file download on Android already. The problem is rather thay most users just use the store preinstalled on their phone as part of Google's deal with OEMs to bundle Google Play Services. So either you follow Google's rules, or you lose all the users who don't want to leave the walled garden, even though they can.

It's honestly not that big of a problem. Probably some anti-trust legislation can/should be passed to make installing F-Droid and the like easier, but it's already pretty easy. If enough popular apps start requiring you to install them through F-Droid then that'll become normalized and Google will lose its soft monopoly in this space, which is an outcome I'm all for.

Google is making it much more difficult and annoying to install F-Droid and any apps from there RIGHT NOW.

To the point where it will cease to be a viable way of distribution for any app that wants to attract an audience larger than the handful of power users.

There is no reason at all to defend them.

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