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Re: AnkiDroid: Google Play no longer allowing Open Collective donation link

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>it's not that different from a deb or rpm repository The difference is that the default app stores require you to make an account to be able to use them. This would rightfully be considered insane on desktop OSs, yet is considered normal for phones.

Is it really that insane of itself? I don't see many people arguing that Valve is evil for requiring a Steam account to access their game library (ignoring the online activation/DRM question).

You don't need an account to browse the steam store, you need one to verify you're a user before downloading/installing a game, or (obviously) buying a game.

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It's still surprising to me how fast we lost ownership norms, and most seem satisfied with renting the right to be a sort of peasant.

Unless you own your own cell carrier and built towers across your country, you can’t own a phone.

If you don't lay down your own roads you can't own a bike.

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I agree wholeheartedly, but you can already unlock and root your phone and install whatever you want. This is not that battle. Mind you, I don't like either of these, but they're very different in nature.

And if I want to run the stock OS I paid for, with apps of my choice? It feels like a bait and switch to lock down the OS like this after you've sold the device.

This is the stock OS you paid for. It's beholden to Google and subject to their updates as it always was. You can either flash a different OS entirely, or even break their ability to update it before the change rolls out, if that's what you want. What I think you really want is to pick and choose what updates you get, which I would love too, but that's neither here nor there.

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Imo if you compare what Google does to the one other mobile OS manufacturer with any users, claiming Google should be fined is something like the cop pulling you over for going 8 over the speed limit while Apple is doing triple digits and just ran two people over. 'Why not both' is an argument, but clear as day what Apple does is worse. There's no alternative.

> 'Why not both' is an argument, but clear as day what Apple does is worse. There's no alternative. 'Just start somewhere, anywhere, please' is another argument.

So let's start with the worse one.

Re: AnkiDroid: Google Play no longer allowing Open Collective donation link

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Ironically, Apple allows alternate app stores in the EU now, while Google is moving to disallow them everywhere.

I don't think Google is moving to disallow them, it's more that the EU said that it's fine for Apple to still own app notarization / developer verification even outside of Apple's app store. Google saw this and said, cool, we'll add that to Android too so we can also get our (undeserved) cut outside of the Play Store. I can install F-Droid or anything else, but if they dont submit papers to Google, I get a big scary…

Google are trying to match Apple's worst behaviour.

Next will be USA deciding that it's illegal to use the new Chinese offerings that will pop up to work around Google/Apple shittiness, because unconstitutional market manipulation goes hand-in-hand with USA's Russian-style oligarchy.

How long before Linux is added to the USA regime list of software that 'shows someone is a terrorist'.

Re: AnkiDroid: Google Play no longer allowing Open Collective donation link

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When do we stop this instinctive response of "well you can still do it in an only slightly convoluted way" everytime a corporate does something bad. Windows added ads - well you can disable them, if you don't like it. Chrome brought up mv3 - well you can still use mv2, it is only optional. Reddit locking subreddits behind login wall - well there's always old.reddit Android moving everything to playstore - there's alw…

> Reddit locking subreddits behind login wall - well there's always old.reddit old.reddit is now locked behind login as well.

https://old.lemmy.world has no login wall!

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Not Google's first rodeo. They pulled the same move in 2019: https://www.phoronix.com/news/WireGuard-Ejected-Play-Store This is why software should not be subjected to an "app store" type distribution system, where a monopolist retains absolute control of what software can run on your devices, and can capriciously deny distribution to developers for whatever reason it likes.

You can install from other stores (AnkiDroid is on F-Droid, for example), or from direct file download on Android already. The problem is rather thay most users just use the store preinstalled on their phone as part of Google's deal with OEMs to bundle Google Play Services. So either you follow Google's rules, or you lose all the users who don't want to leave the walled garden, even though they can.

99.99% of the typical mobile phone users will not be able to implement your advice and the 0.01% that can already knows.

Re: AnkiDroid: Google Play no longer allowing Open Collective donation link

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Digital infrastructure became so important that it must be regulated. We can't leave app stores at the whim of mega corporations.

Just because Google built something valuable that doesn't mean the government should take control of it. This line of reasoning also leads to the government taking over YouTube and changing the rules there due to how "important" it is.

The things mega corporations built could be even more valuable (for society) if they didn't intentionally restrict for their own and their shareholders' benefit what you can do with them.

"Regulating" also doesn't mean "taking control".

Re: AnkiDroid: Google Play no longer allowing Open Collective donation link

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Just remove the open collective link. Point to your homepage where the motivated donors will certainly pay. You already should know how many of the motivated users actually care about donations. The goal of this story and publishing it in HN seems to catch more eyeballs and marketing of Ankidroid, under new leadership. All I am suggesting is, just play along with Google. No harm here. I am sorry, if I am wrong. Happy…

AnkiDroid is still independent and is not managed by a new leadership like the computer app, if that's what you're suggesting.

Oh I see. I mistook it then. Sorry, my bad.
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