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The creator of Jujutsu has joined ERSC

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Re: The creator of Jujutsu has joined ERSC

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Post by jeffbee »

fallat wrote: post #12

Someone will have to explain the value proposition to me... We have git. jujutsu works with git. git can do everything jujutsu can do (otherwise, jujutsu couldn't work with git). Thus, jujutsu is a UX / new steering wheel. ERSC is trying to be a GitHub competitor with what surplus value? Don't get me wrong, GitHub has a slew of its own problems, but I have not seen any commentary on how ERSC addresses any of the down…

Absolutely everything in this industry is just a façade over the underlying ability to pass current between the source and the drain of transistors. "Just a better way to do ______" is the entire software sector.

Re: The creator of Jujutsu has joined ERSC

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Post by steveklabnik »

nh2 wrote: post #112

This website has unbearable scroll performance on mobile. Is it the animation at the top?

We tested it in mobile, but several people pointed out that we have more performance work to do to make sure that the animation is fast on lower-end hardware. I don't know what phone you're using, but we'll get it fixed regardless.

Re: The creator of Jujutsu has joined ERSC

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Post by jayknight »

steveklabnik wrote: post #72
ModernMech wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No worries, Windows 11, browser I just tested in Opera and Edge. Shared Intel GPU runs at 70% in either, guessing due to the lovely clouds drifting by.

Thanks! I don't have Opera installed on my Win11 machine, but I tried it in Edge and it's barely using anything, but I realize that I have something beefier than a shared GPU on it. I've filed a bug internally and we'll make sure to take a look. We don't use these animations in the product, only the company site, so this is the first time it's hitting a broader audience. I appreciate the report and sorry about that!

Firefox on win11 here, scrolling the page is super choppy and it pegs my GPU at 100%.

Re: The creator of Jujutsu has joined ERSC

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Post by VorpalWay »

minraws wrote: post #35

jj is one of the few new devtools I was quite frustrated with while starting out but could see the value so stuck around and man is it so nice. For anyone curious the big thing with jj is you can undo. Basically if you were running a rebase and bungled a commit sha or branch name, no worries undo your way out, if you forgot to push but abandoned a commit not issues undo it. Same with all jj commands. Delta db takes t…

How is this undo different than Git's reflog? Genuinely curious, while I have heard of jj I haven't yet tried it (I read it couldn't handle git submodules, which would have made it dead in the water for my dayjob, that seems to still be the case).

Re: The creator of Jujutsu has joined ERSC

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Post by sshine »

kps wrote: post #100
sshine wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying push + undo = unpush?

jj itself doesn't have a native ‘push’. `jj git push` and `jj piper upload`¹ operate on external systems that don't necessarily support undoing arbitrary operations. Pure speculation, but if I were ESRC I'd make my backend handle it (subject to enterprise audit policies). ¹ https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dVzug1lHoOxdbFu8gcCJCu-G_uV...

Reminds me of the git-svn bridge.

Points of no return.

Re: The creator of Jujutsu has joined ERSC

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Post by IshKebab »

LoganDark wrote: post #37
steveklabnik wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not so much that we will prevent individuals from using the product, we are just focusing feature development on the needs of companies and teams. Startups are hard, and you have to focus, and so that's where we are focusing first.

Will you prevent individuals from using the product by requiring a sales call for onboarding? (aka: decisions that have nothing to do with individuals at all, but merely rule them out by intrinsically not being something they can achieve)

I think it's unlikely that individuals will need their product, unless you happen to have a 100 million line monorepo. (At least based on what it sounds like they're targeting.)

Normal Git/JJ is fine for most people, and most open source projects. It's just when you get to the scale of commercial software companies (100+ employees) you run into the classic monorepo/submodule problem.

Monorepos are currently the best solution - they make testing tractable, you can do cross-project changes, Git's support for them isn't buggy as hell. But they have obvious downsides - performance is the big one, but also integration with open source projects, permission control, etc.

So there's this big problem space that really only matters to companies where as far as I know there are currently no good open source or even commercial solutions. The only people that have (maybe) solved it are the mega-corps like Facebook and Google who have made their own private solutions. I don't know exactly what ERSC are going to offer but it's surely going to be in that space and also probably not going to be super relevant to private individuals.

Re: The creator of Jujutsu has joined ERSC

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Post by Zambyte »

sshine wrote: post #42
minraws wrote: post #35

jj is one of the few new devtools I was quite frustrated with while starting out but could see the value so stuck around and man is it so nice. For anyone curious the big thing with jj is you can undo. Basically if you were running a rebase and bungled a commit sha or branch name, no worries undo your way out, if you forgot to push but abandoned a commit not issues undo it. Same with all jj commands. Delta db takes t…

Are you saying push + undo = unpush?

You can undo a push, yes. It undoes the local state of the remote branches after the push operation. ie: branch@origin will point at the commit it did before the push action. It doesn't actually update the branch on the remote. That would require another push operation.

Re: The creator of Jujutsu has joined ERSC

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Post by minraws »

VorpalWay wrote: post #115
minraws wrote: post #35

jj is one of the few new devtools I was quite frustrated with while starting out but could see the value so stuck around and man is it so nice. For anyone curious the big thing with jj is you can undo. Basically if you were running a rebase and bungled a commit sha or branch name, no worries undo your way out, if you forgot to push but abandoned a commit not issues undo it. Same with all jj commands. Delta db takes t…

How is this undo different than Git's reflog? Genuinely curious, while I have heard of jj I haven't yet tried it (I read it couldn't handle git submodules, which would have made it dead in the water for my dayjob, that seems to still be the case).

1. Reflog is very ref specific that is it tracks head. JJ has op and evo logs that do that + a bunch more they track everything about the repo every possible action. It's hard to explain with going into technical depth but you can read up on it.

2. Yeah submodules aren't supported but since you can use jj in a git repo you can commit git stuff via git like submodules and then enjoy the world of jj. Since submodule interactions should be rare imho. I use it for a bunch of projects with submodules.

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