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EFF to Governor Newsom: Veto California's AB 1709

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Re: EFF to Governor Newsom: Veto California's AB 1709

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post #89

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Why do you think you need to take action on how other people raise their children?

Why do you think you can limit what relationship I have with my legislative representative? If you don't like it, out spend me in political donations.

Gee, how very democratic. If others don't like how you're trying to curtail their liberty, they should just out-bribe the politicians.

Just as the Framers intended.

Re: EFF to Governor Newsom: Veto California's AB 1709

#132

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There are limits to laws and limiting social media companies' ability to have child users is well within those. If you don't like it, contact your representative instead of spinning your wheels on HN.

I don't understand, could you rephrase your answer to his question? I read his question and read your response, but don't see a connection between the two.

I'll rephrase it for you: "Fuck you".

Re: EFF to Governor Newsom: Veto California's AB 1709

#133
post #72

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My kids school provides them iPads and often sends homework that must be done on them. I careful lock up their smartphone except when I want they to have it, but I can't control the school devices.

Why can we make laws to require intrusive age attestation/verification everywhere but we can’t make laws to end the use of school iPads ? One of these seems easier to do?

Computers are useful tools. That is why we can't and shouldn't ban then. However they can be accused and how to prevent that is a real concern.

Re: EFF to Governor Newsom: Veto California's AB 1709

#134

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I'm not against devices. I'm against some of the things that can be done with them.

It's really difficult to sympathize with your perspective here. >>> Ban smartphones for kids. >>> But the school gives my kids homework on them. >> Then tell the school you and your kid won't use them; they still have to educate your kid. > But I want my kid to use them. I just don't like what they allow my kid to do. If they allow your kids to do things you don't want your kids doing, then don't let your kids use th…

There are no easy answers. In not in favor of the current laws, but there is a real problem that I don't one how to solve.

Re: EFF to Governor Newsom: Veto California's AB 1709

#135
post #94

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Products designed to be addictive are not a parenting issue. This is a product liability issue with a product designed to drive engagement. Products should be safe to use. Parents cannot, and in some cases should not, prevent all harms. Learning to assess and deal with risk is part of growing up. No one wants a helicopter parent constantly trying to protect you from everything. You are calling for a nanny, just argui…

I don't think you should ban McDonald's because parents shouldn't be expected to not feed their kids McDonald's every day of the week.

But McD did change how they advertise to children. We can limit the harmful practices of social media platforms without banning them.

https://www.businessinsider.com/mcdonalds-told-to-change-ads...

"Research has shown that young children—younger than 8 years—are cognitively and psychologically defenseless against advertising.6–9 They do not understand the notion of intent to sell and frequently accept advertising claims at face value.10 In fact, in the late 1970s, the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) held hearings, reviewed the existing research, and came to the conclusion that it was unfair and deceptive to advertise to children younger than 6 years.11 What kept the FTC from banning such ads was that it was thought to be impractical to implement such a ban.11 However, some Western countries have done exactly that: Sweden and Norway forbid all advertising directed at children younger than 12 years, Greece bans toy advertising until after 10 pm, and Denmark and Belgium severely restrict advertising aimed at children."

https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/118/6/2563/6...

This kind of advertising bypasses parents and creates desire in kids. You might not be able to control what your kid does at a friend's house or at school. Parents can't do it all and so society needs to support parents. Right now social media is setup against parents, we can change that.

Re: EFF to Governor Newsom: Veto California's AB 1709

#136

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Why can we make laws to require intrusive age attestation/verification everywhere but we can’t make laws to end the use of school iPads ? One of these seems easier to do?

Computers are useful tools. That is why we can't and shouldn't ban then. However they can be accused and how to prevent that is a real concern.

Frankly I’d rather end the use of iPads and Chromebooks in schools (except perhaps in special technology classes), especially given the increasing use of AI to cheat on assignments.

We didn’t have computers in class and it didn’t stop me or my peers from learning how to use them. And it didn’t infringe on freedom of speech or compromise individual privacy, as this proposed law would.

Re: EFF to Governor Newsom: Veto California's AB 1709

#137

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Why do you think you can limit what relationship I have with my legislative representative? If you don't like it, out spend me in political donations.

Gee, how very democratic. If others don't like how you're trying to curtail their liberty, they should just out-bribe the politicians. Just as the Framers intended.

You're writing this like a kid whose about to have their internet taken away. If you're an adult, congrats, nothing changes.

Re: EFF to Governor Newsom: Veto California's AB 1709

#138

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Gee, how very democratic. If others don't like how you're trying to curtail their liberty, they should just out-bribe the politicians. Just as the Framers intended.

You're writing this like a kid whose about to have their internet taken away. If you're an adult, congrats, nothing changes.

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Re: EFF to Governor Newsom: Veto California's AB 1709

#139
post #95

I get people want to protect their kids. But I don't agree with age verification. If people can't figure out parental controls, maybe they can buy a phone plan that has it already set up in advance. We don't need laws for this.

The California version of "age verification" IS parental controls. There is no actual verification happening. The OS is required to have an age associated with a user, declared, but not proven in any way, at setup. That value is then accessible to handle age gating.

Re: EFF to Governor Newsom: Veto California's AB 1709

#140

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I don't understand, could you rephrase your answer to his question? I read his question and read your response, but don't see a connection between the two.

I'll rephrase it for you: "Fuck you".

Exactly. Out donate me. Until then, it's whinging.
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