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Play Store blocks AuroraStore, hurting GrapheneOS users

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Re: Play Store blocks AuroraStore, hurting GrapheneOS users

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> Turning on automatic software updates from Google would make me vulnerable to that threat. Using MicroG instead of Google Play Services would make me less vulnerable to that threat I would say that any auto-update mechanism is a threat, so in both cases you would disable auto-updates.

The point is that you might know the people behind microG or trust them for any other reason, but not the people at Google

Fair point.

Re: Play Store blocks AuroraStore, hurting GrapheneOS users

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GrapheneOS is focused on privacy but that must come from a secure baseline. GrapheneOS is much more privacy focussd than any other mobile operating system. Accrescent is the end goal for a secure and private app store but it's still in alpha. GrapheneOS is also the best for degoogling (eliminating all google services) because it comes with zero Google services unlike all the other ones listed here: https://eylenburg.…

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Re: Play Store blocks AuroraStore, hurting GrapheneOS users

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> Google Account that isn't tied to anything else. At the risk of being a privacy absolutist / fatalist: Google’s entire business model is surveillance. They follow you around and track your habits so you can be influenced. Given that, a Google account is always tied to something else.

Google's business model is providing you services that are excellent, while also providing advertisers access to your willing eyeballs when you use those services. Yes, the advertising targeting is incredibly invasive, but let's not pretend they aren't providing world class Search, Email, Docs, Maps, Video (YT), etc in exchange.

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Re: Play Store blocks AuroraStore, hurting GrapheneOS users

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GrapheneOS actually recommends against using Aurora and instead just using the Play Store, so this shouldn't really hurt users. For extra privacy, you can sign into the Play Store with a Google Account that isn't tied to anything else.

It DOES still hurt.

For example the eBay app. Does not allow installing from the play store on grapheneos.

Re: Play Store blocks AuroraStore, hurting GrapheneOS users

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GrapheneOS actually recommends against using Aurora and instead just using the Play Store, so this shouldn't really hurt users. For extra privacy, you can sign into the Play Store with a Google Account that isn't tied to anything else.

>For extra privacy, you can sign into the Play Store with a Google Account that isn't tied to anything else.

Like my personal phone?)

Installing Google Play service is in itself a privacy downgrade.

Re: Play Store blocks AuroraStore, hurting GrapheneOS users

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This is exactly why I switched to Android. Running any Linux binary with just a small bit of patchwork to get Xorg running (this was before Wayland) felt like magic. So much power in your pocket, I could plug a keyboard and display into the device and use it as a computer! And internet-connected 24/7! Coming from a literal Nokia where I made some web-apps for the javascript-supported browser (that was already a major leap for a mobile phone), it blew my mind. The sole reason Android blew up is the endless possibilities developers saw (starting with the device manufacturers of course). Now the developers are here, the competitors haven't been competing because who cared about Firefox OS or Windows Mobile even back in 2014, and so Google can do whatever

Re: Play Store blocks AuroraStore, hurting GrapheneOS users

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My experience has been that all the consumer privacy/security tools are varying degrees of “good” at keeping away bad actors, trackers, advertisers, and most third parties, but when it comes to the big dogs, there’s nothing you can really do to stop them. Google, Facebook, etc. just have too many data points already available to them so they can easily build a picture of you. There are simply too many services that h…

> leave their ecosystem Their tracking is baked into various apps even if you don't have an account with them. Anything with social media integrations can report back to the mothership behind your back.

yes I believe I said that in my previous comment more or less

Re: Play Store blocks AuroraStore, hurting GrapheneOS users

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Is it not possible to just download the updated whatsapp apk from some online source? That is the benefit of android after all, side loading is still possible relatively easily.

I'll be your random online source if you want. Just give me a few days to work on an APK for you to download and install.

People download apks from pirate sites and install them all the time, I dont think this is much different

Re: Play Store blocks AuroraStore, hurting GrapheneOS users

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GrapheneOS actually recommends against using Aurora and instead just using the Play Store, so this shouldn't really hurt users. For extra privacy, you can sign into the Play Store with a Google Account that isn't tied to anything else.

...with a Google Account that isn't tied to anything else

That isn't completely possible these days. Last I checked they want an existing email address and/or a cellphone number for verification. I guess "not tied to anything else" is proportional to how much you trust them to delete either of these bits of info after they are used, and not associate them with other accounts you might have used them with in the past/future.

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