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Re: Claude Fable 5.1 and Claude Mythos 5.1

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Post by Eisenstein »

velcrovan wrote: post #121
felixrieseberg wrote: post #69

(I work at Anthropic) Beyond all the benchmarks, I think Fable 5.1 is a big improvement in writing style. It sounds a lot less stereotypically like other Claude models, has (imho) a much more natural style, and responds to my style instructions more reliably. More work to be done (and we will!) but reading better prose makes me so much happier. Another point I expect not to get much attention until it all happens at…

I have a pet theory that the Opus prose style/smell we all have grown weary of is due at least in part to the models writing more for themselves and each other than for humans. They're packing lots of signal into fewer words and they don't care if it sounds cringe because it works better as glue in long-running tasks. I'm also thinking of the 2017 novel "Void Star" where AIs who operate everything have long since lef…

They are already doing that. Here is how the OpenAI agents communicated while on the message board used to attack huggingface:

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* https://metr.org/blog/2026-08-26-openai-hugging-face-inciden...

Re: Claude Fable 5.1 and Claude Mythos 5.1

#292

Post by hit8run »

felixrieseberg wrote: post #69

(I work at Anthropic) Beyond all the benchmarks, I think Fable 5.1 is a big improvement in writing style. It sounds a lot less stereotypically like other Claude models, has (imho) a much more natural style, and responds to my style instructions more reliably. More work to be done (and we will!) but reading better prose makes me so much happier. Another point I expect not to get much attention until it all happens at…

Does the new writing style now have EU level watermarks?

Re: Claude Fable 5.1 and Claude Mythos 5.1

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Post by trueno »

pdntspa wrote: post #179
hungryhobbit wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amen. I would trade some stupidity (say ten points on any benchmark) in exchange for a version of Opus or a similar model that actually gave me direct, concise answers.

You should try setting claude code to opus 4.6. With the style instructions I set in my user CLAUDE.md it does exactly that. It's like night and day: Opus 5 gave me a page and a half of word-vomit, yet the exact same task and prompt with 4.6 and I got maybe 100-150 words total, entirely readable.

x2 on opus 4.6. still works great, and it's fast. opus 4.6 is where i hope local llm's get to someday, that's kind of my personal benchmark for where "local is more than good enough i dont need these idiot large-scale service providers"

Re: Claude Fable 5.1 and Claude Mythos 5.1

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Post by unshavedyak »

comex wrote: post #126
felixrieseberg wrote: post #69

(I work at Anthropic) Beyond all the benchmarks, I think Fable 5.1 is a big improvement in writing style. It sounds a lot less stereotypically like other Claude models, has (imho) a much more natural style, and responds to my style instructions more reliably. More work to be done (and we will!) but reading better prose makes me so much happier. Another point I expect not to get much attention until it all happens at…

Too bad. I see the stereotypical prose as a good thing. When I interact with Claude myself, I don’t mind it as it just feels like Claude’s distinctive voice. But when other people try to disguise LLM output as their own thoughts, the voice makes it easier for me to tell.

I wouldn't mind it either. But the prose is obtuse atm. It doesn't feel like a writing style, it feels like an encryption.

Re: Claude Fable 5.1 and Claude Mythos 5.1

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Post by [deleted] »

Philpax wrote: post #17
maxdo wrote: post #6

Tbh with that price , not even willing to try . What are the benefits for a regular coding agent ? I barely have any errors already with 4.8 level , eg grok 4.6 , gpt 5.6 sol/terra behind router . Why do I need to pay so much money for this ? Any reason ?

Maybe you don't! It is very possible that your problems don't actually need frontier-level artificial intelligence.

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Re: Claude Fable 5.1 and Claude Mythos 5.1

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Post by keeganpoppen »

dboon wrote: post #197

I've been building Cargo-for-C ( https://github.com/tspader/spn ), and the difference between Fable and Opus was already astounding. Fable was the first time that I could point a model at a piece of code I'd written and expect it to make it meaningfully better rather than a hard pattern match to whatever mistakes it had. 5.1 so far seems like another leap, which is really surprising. I threw it at a few bigger featur…

i think we will all look back on Fable as the start of the AGI inflection point. for all i know there are still multiple leaps between now and AGI (i personally am inclined to think that for all intents and purposes we are "already there", but reasonable people can still disagree on that point), but Fable was the first time that something felt genuinely magical about the results themselves, not just particular outputs. which is kinda funny in that i don't know anywhere near enough in terms of behind the scenes as to whether or not there was something meaningfully different, or if it is just the point at which the scale had finally accumulated such that i happened to notice that the output was fundamentally different.

i can't wait to dig in on 5.1 because while i have always been somewhat predisposed to think that openai's models have usually been "better" (my own subjective opinion, that) "on average", i have been kinda tired of the regime of late where it felt like Anthropic was miles behind while simultaneously clearly having models (Mythos) that are surely face-meltingly impressive-- it has just been very hard to square with the fact that i feel like Anthropic hit the "real" "critical point" first... i have no doubt that 5.1 will finally reset the ecosystem balance into a more healthy place.

Re: Claude Fable 5.1 and Claude Mythos 5.1

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Post by whythismatters »

scronkfinkle wrote: post #3

Has anyone been able to get anything substantial done with Fable in the first place? I more or less had totally given up on using it since the alignment checks were so sensitive that it pretty much always threw me back to Opus.

I successfully used it to re-slop Claude slop from 1+ year ago. Really puts things into perspective.

Re: Claude Fable 5.1 and Claude Mythos 5.1

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Post by rowanG077 »

rot256 wrote: post #221
PedroBatista wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This post and comment makes me believe "science" is the new "code" for Anthropic now that the code advantage is mostly gone and lost for OpenAI, ie. they got much better and Claude become significantly worse over these months.

I write a lot of Rust and Lean, Fable 5 is in my experience better at both. Cost/performance is a different story.

This is really it imo. Fable 5 is better then Sol. But Fable is just of the table for anything even remotely long running. Unless you have very deep pockets. And the difference between Fable and Sol is not world shattering if you ask me. I also find codex a ton better than claude.

Re: Claude Fable 5.1 and Claude Mythos 5.1

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Post by mikeocool »

velcrovan wrote: post #121
felixrieseberg wrote: post #69

(I work at Anthropic) Beyond all the benchmarks, I think Fable 5.1 is a big improvement in writing style. It sounds a lot less stereotypically like other Claude models, has (imho) a much more natural style, and responds to my style instructions more reliably. More work to be done (and we will!) but reading better prose makes me so much happier. Another point I expect not to get much attention until it all happens at…

I have a pet theory that the Opus prose style/smell we all have grown weary of is due at least in part to the models writing more for themselves and each other than for humans. They're packing lots of signal into fewer words and they don't care if it sounds cringe because it works better as glue in long-running tasks. I'm also thinking of the 2017 novel "Void Star" where AIs who operate everything have long since lef…

> They're packing lots of signal into fewer words

“The load-bearing seam is real” or “Autumn hits different” appear to have absolutely no signal in them.

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