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Re: 'Mad honey' that can stop your heart is being sold online

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post #98

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Wait till you're 65. It's more than disbelief, people start to actively moronify you. I'm not that age yet, but I've see it happening to purple my parent's age

Or women of any age in certain contexts, like buying a car, or explaining to a doctor that some abdominal pain is not imaginary or temporary.

I don't think that that issue is inherent to women. I think it's inherent to everyone and we get affected on different levels in different contexts.

Any man who's been told to "man up" (most) has experienced the same.

Re: 'Mad honey' that can stop your heart is being sold online

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You’ve got to wake up.

I have a genuine fear that someone will stop me in the street one day, grab me by the shoulders and say > You have to wake up. Please wake up. We're all here at your bedside waiting for you to wake up. Just wake up. We love you. Please. And I'm convinced it's because of that episode.

I have a genuine fear that someone will stop me in the street one day, grab me by the shoulders and say

Kenneth! What's the frequency? What's the frequency, Kenneth!

Re: 'Mad honey' that can stop your heart is being sold online

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post #90

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This is an unhinged, eugenics-adjacent take that only reflects on your lack of imagination/undeserved faith in your own intellect. Everyone thinks they are the exception. You are not. You have eaten things you did not vet. You haven’t been poisoned by bathroom products (yet). You are alive because of protections like this.

I think to unabashedly declare that you know what someone does or does not deserve requires just as much if not more faith.

No. These aren’t two sides of the same coin. People by default deserve to live even if they make bad calls.

The only reasonable way to live your life is under the assumption that people don’t deserve to die for being wrong about something they buy and eat. This is not something that should have to be spelled out man. The “darwin awards” argument is cruel and sociopathic if you take it beyond a morbid joke and instead actually believe people deserve to die over something as simple as not having perfect knowledge over what they consume.

Re: 'Mad honey' that can stop your heart is being sold online

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I have a genuine fear that someone will stop me in the street one day, grab me by the shoulders and say > You have to wake up. Please wake up. We're all here at your bedside waiting for you to wake up. Just wake up. We love you. Please. And I'm convinced it's because of that episode.

Off topic, but I totally recommend you check out Total Recall (1990) "Wake up, Mr. Quaid!"

Even further off-topic, but I recommend you and the parent poster watch the Buffy episode Normal Again, and the 116 episodes before it. Not waking up, but also an example of the "none of this is real" idea.

I'm not sure if I'm entirely joking with this recommendation. For those who haven't watched - even for a show about a vampire slayer, it gets decreasingly plausible as the series go on (as do many long running shows). I remember being hit pretty hard when this episode suddenly offered a sensible explanation for everything, but a stone-cold path to get there.

Should I feel compelled to not offer spoilers on what is probably a joke recommendation anyway (117 episodes of a decades old TV show)?

Re: 'Mad honey' that can stop your heart is being sold online

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post #69

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But you also don't touch it, eat it, or stand under it when it rains, so the opportunity to burn it by mistake is limited.

You remind me of Episode 2 of the Apothecary Diaries: several Chinese troops were poisoned after eating local food. The food was fine, the wood used for fire and eating utensils was the source. I wonder if something like that ever actually happened?

I would think any poisonous campfire would be quickly noticeable (who the hell likes to breathe campfire smoke?) and you would have to actually ingest the toxin like the guys who drank poisoned coffee.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/how-a-deadly-camping-t...

Re: 'Mad honey' that can stop your heart is being sold online

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post #93

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As someone who as extracted dmt from mimosa hostilis, more people should do it than buy god knows what RCs on the darkweb.

That's actually a good point that I hadn't considered. I still maintain that deliriants are for nobody though. DMT is fine in moderation. But anything that is labeled as a deliriant will not give you any kind of joy or knowledge. It will just fuck you for a lot longer than you think.

In the Chingichngish religion, a Datura potion was administered either once or 3 times in a person's life (puberty and, in some cultures, also marriage and before death). Not that it was a particularly widely practiced religion.

The tribes are ofc intimately familiar with the dangers of Datura. Experts that had studied the plant their whole lives were in charge of this ritual. They knew what season, what time of day, and how to harvest Datura (indeed modern science show Datura alkaloids vary drastically by time of day, weather, and environmental conditions). They also paid attention to the age and condition of the plant and the type of soil. Plants growing in indirect sunlight are less potent and preferred for initiation rituals. People undergoing the ritual had to go through a rigorous physical and dietary regime in the days preceding.

They had a clear distinction between a Datura "trance" vs just straight up delirium and the experts would closely watch the person receiving the potion to know how they are doing. The initiate is never left alone and is closely supervised during the full experience (which is multiple days)

Anyways my point with all this is that, this is NOT the same experience you get from reading some Erowid posts. Even if you are taking all the precautions. A traditional "trance" that's closely monitored by an expert is a different experience entirely.

Re: 'Mad honey' that can stop your heart is being sold online

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I have a genuine fear that someone will stop me in the street one day, grab me by the shoulders and say > You have to wake up. Please wake up. We're all here at your bedside waiting for you to wake up. Just wake up. We love you. Please. And I'm convinced it's because of that episode.

Off topic, but I totally recommend you check out Total Recall (1990) "Wake up, Mr. Quaid!"

"I got five kids to feed"

Re: 'Mad honey' that can stop your heart is being sold online

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There are no longer any reasonable people with the shift in demographics.

What do you mean?

Every culture has a different understanding of what is reasonable. Cultures shift with demographic changes. It is reasonable to behave one way in one culture and not another. Your peers are no longer your peers.

Re: 'Mad honey' that can stop your heart is being sold online

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post #90

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I think to unabashedly declare that you know what someone does or does not deserve requires just as much if not more faith.

No. These aren’t two sides of the same coin. People by default deserve to live even if they make bad calls. The only reasonable way to live your life is under the assumption that people don’t deserve to die for being wrong about something they buy and eat. This is not something that should have to be spelled out man. The “darwin awards” argument is cruel and sociopathic if you take it beyond a morbid joke and instead…

But the article explicitly says that people did know what they were consuming. They bought poison honey, they got poison honey, they ate poison honey, and they got poisoned.

Now you can certainly argue we should make that impossible, but I am explicitly arguing that doing so makes society worse. I have made no claims one way or the other about what they deserve, because that is a religious claim, not an objective one.

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