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EFF to Governor Newsom: Veto California's AB 1709

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Re: EFF to Governor Newsom: Veto California's AB 1709

#41

I agree that this is a very blunt instrument rife with terrible potential, but I don't know what could be done in its stead. The EFF makes excellent points, but in my view the social media algorithms do way more harm than good, especially for minors. What would be the more ideal solution here? Clearly we can't do nothing, and time is of the essence for the current generation.

Studies I read on the topic don’t demonstrate harm, what are you relying upon? Hopefully not Haidt’s book

Re: EFF to Governor Newsom: Veto California's AB 1709

#42
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing is not politically viable for the parents who want controls to limit their children's access. It's funny watching HN constantly berate parents for not parenting while parents' material conditions don't change. Same environment, same result, and frankly there's more of them and they're better organized. All it takes is parents to win once. You have to not lose every time.

What control is missing from parent who want to control their children? From what I see they can already set strict parental controls

That would do nothing to help with the pressure kids will feel if others are on social media.

Re: EFF to Governor Newsom: Veto California's AB 1709

#44

This whole argument makes me feel old. This smacks of "satanic messages in metal made my kids kill themselves" and of the PMRC. Of a trailer getting burned down cause kids watched Bevis yell "fire" one too many times. Our modern society has fucked up kids, and I wont argue that tech isnt an enabler. But the fact that kids ONLY lens into the world independent of their parents is their digital life is PART OF THE PROBL…

This is like telling people to drive better to prevent crashes.

It's considerably more effective to invent/mandate seatbelts, airbags, crumple zones and hopefully in the future some kind of automated magical computer system that takes driving completely out of the hands of meatbags.

Re: EFF to Governor Newsom: Veto California's AB 1709

#45

All the things this article objects to in banning for children are things I find myself wanting removed from my own experience in social networks in order to make me want to use them at all.

The question is if that should be forced upon everyone under 16

Re: EFF to Governor Newsom: Veto California's AB 1709

#46
post #16

>particularly harming vulnerable youth and marginalized groups who often find safety in supportive online communities This is debatable and may actually have a net negative effect on those groups. Not to say that this bill is desirable. Shouldn't they push for stronger/better/flexible parental controls in devices instead? Perhaps offering to set them up in OOTB experiences?

What is missing from device parental control?

Re: EFF to Governor Newsom: Veto California's AB 1709

#47

I agree that this is a very blunt instrument rife with terrible potential, but I don't know what could be done in its stead. The EFF makes excellent points, but in my view the social media algorithms do way more harm than good, especially for minors. What would be the more ideal solution here? Clearly we can't do nothing, and time is of the essence for the current generation.

Agreed entirely. They're really glossing over the harm parts. The vibe in this article feels like someone who used the internet in the 90s and 2000s when community was actually a thing. Maybe even early Facebook days when it was college level and newly released to the general public. What was once genuinely helpful for society is, by and large, now doing more harm than good. So, unless these multibillion dollar compa…

Are cigarettes banned?

Re: EFF to Governor Newsom: Veto California's AB 1709

#48
> These so-called "addictive features," are in reality the basic tools that online services use to identify what other user-generated content a particular user might want to see.

Are they for real?

Maybe underage kids can use, I dunno, a search box. Looks hard I know, but maybe it will help grow one or two neurons in their head

Re: EFF to Governor Newsom: Veto California's AB 1709

#49

This whole argument makes me feel old. This smacks of "satanic messages in metal made my kids kill themselves" and of the PMRC. Of a trailer getting burned down cause kids watched Bevis yell "fire" one too many times. Our modern society has fucked up kids, and I wont argue that tech isnt an enabler. But the fact that kids ONLY lens into the world independent of their parents is their digital life is PART OF THE PROBL…

This is like telling people to drive better to prevent crashes. It's considerably more effective to invent/mandate seatbelts, airbags, crumple zones and hopefully in the future some kind of automated magical computer system that takes driving completely out of the hands of meatbags.

You’re using an analogy that removes the nuance from the topic in question

Re: EFF to Governor Newsom: Veto California's AB 1709

#50
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing is not politically viable for the parents who want controls to limit their children's access. It's funny watching HN constantly berate parents for not parenting while parents' material conditions don't change. Same environment, same result, and frankly there's more of them and they're better organized. All it takes is parents to win once. You have to not lose every time.

What control is missing from parent who want to control their children? From what I see they can already set strict parental controls

The controls I'm referring to limit all kids access simultaneously. Turning off just my kid's access doesn't change the social conditions under which kids interact. It just cuts off them from their friend groups while nothing else changes.

Where in the settings do I go to turn off every kid's access at once? As far as I know, that setting is only accessible through my legislative representative.

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