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Ubisoft's FOR HONOR will block SteamOS / Linux players starting September 10

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Re: Ubisoft's FOR HONOR will block SteamOS / Linux players starting September 10

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Post by ben-schaaf »

thrownawaysz wrote: post #8
jorvi wrote: post #5

This stuff should only be legal if companies are forced to return you the full purchase price of the game.

But they are not selling the game for Linux. Only for Windows. It's another story that it works because of Proton but technically they don't support the platform at all. https://store.steampowered.com/app/304390/FOR_HONOR/ https://www.ubisoft.com/en-us/help/for-honor/article/system-...

They've stated in their patch notes that they made a change specifically to run on the steam deck. Regardless of what they say now, they have actively supported linux in the past and so should be liable for breaking the game for those customers.

https://www.ubisoft.com/en-gb/game/for-honor/news-updates/6j...

Re: Ubisoft's FOR HONOR will block SteamOS / Linux players starting September 10

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Post by john_strinlai »

AndriyKunitsyn wrote: post #54
iririririr wrote: post #17

will never understand people who opt for a rootkit just for a 0,1% chance of a match without cheaters. you're all the worse.

The Verdana font that your message is written with - how can you be sure that its TrueType bytecode hasn't escaped the sandbox and snuck into your ring0? You either put some trust into the systems made by other people, or you don't touch computers at all.

trust is not binary. i trust my preinstalled system fonts more than i trust vanguard, as an example.

different goals, different people involved, different scope of access, different amount of review, different amount of use = different levels of trust

Re: Ubisoft's FOR HONOR will block SteamOS / Linux players starting September 10

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Post by caconym_ »

Ithildin wrote: post #33

Going forward, I simply will not be purchasing any game that does not work on Linux. I realize that I'll be missing out on some titles, but Windows simply isn't worth the headache. CachyOS has been working great for me. Proton has been amazing. I have had zero problems with the games I typically play -- some of which are multiplayer. Luckily, I have not run into anti-cheat issues yet.

Same.

There are obviously few or no hard technical blockers preventing Valve and the Linux community from supporting any game that runs on Windows, unless it's been specifically engineered to block Linux, and publishers of those games will simply not be getting my money anymore. If Windows was still as pleasant and non-invasive as eg KDE Plasma on Cachy, it would be a different story, but I haven't used it in months (previously I did my desktop gaming in a windows VM) and the feeling of relief is almost tangible. Windows 11 is _so fucking bad_.

I understand that there may be some semi-legitimate arguments around anticheat, but a) not my problem, and b) back in the day we dealt with cheaters by having a persistent dedicated server community with admins ready to kick or ban. The publishers took that away from us.

Re: Ubisoft's FOR HONOR will block SteamOS / Linux players starting September 10

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Post by caconym_ »

mihaelm wrote: post #47
Ithildin wrote: post #33

Going forward, I simply will not be purchasing any game that does not work on Linux. I realize that I'll be missing out on some titles, but Windows simply isn't worth the headache. CachyOS has been working great for me. Proton has been amazing. I have had zero problems with the games I typically play -- some of which are multiplayer. Luckily, I have not run into anti-cheat issues yet.

I'm pulling for Microsoft to create an XboxOS for PC you can just freely install on any machine, as that's about the only thing I care about regarding Windows. Then I could see myself dualbooting that when I want to play my Xbox collection. And it'd be nice to build a beefy machine to max them out on, once the PC component prices settle a bit. They're playing with that with the Xbox Full Screen Experience on ROG Xbox…

Given how dogshit Windows 11 is, and how dogshit the Xbox-branded apps have consistently been in the last 10 years or so (it's genuinely impressive how bad they are), it's hard to see why a new Microsoft thing wouldn't have all the same problems. They just don't make software to serve the user anymore.

Re: Ubisoft's FOR HONOR will block SteamOS / Linux players starting September 10

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

scronkfinkle wrote: post #45

There's a couple different ways to look at this. From a charitable point of view to ubisoft, they do not advertise support for Linux. Instead they openly state it's a window's only game. So when a third party (i.e. Valve) makes shim that grants linux functionality, it's not really on Ubisoft to maintain that. However, from a consumer perspective, this is incredibly frustrating. The average person does not think of "l…

> So when a third party (i.e. Valve) makes shim that grants linux functionality, it's not really on Ubisoft to maintain that.

I agree that it's not on them to maintain it, but that's different from intentionally breaking it.

Re: Ubisoft's FOR HONOR will block SteamOS / Linux players starting September 10

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Post by AndriyKunitsyn »

john_strinlai wrote: post #62
AndriyKunitsyn wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Verdana font that your message is written with - how can you be sure that its TrueType bytecode hasn't escaped the sandbox and snuck into your ring0? You either put some trust into the systems made by other people, or you don't touch computers at all.

trust is not binary. i trust my preinstalled system fonts more than i trust vanguard, as an example. different goals, different people involved, different scope of access, different amount of review, different amount of use = different levels of trust

Absolutely, and we can discuss the amounts of this trust. Some people trust the anti-cheat devs. (I do too, on a PC that is used for almost nothing but gaming.)
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