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Re: AI Can Make You Suck Faster Too

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Post by bschwindHN »

Marazan wrote: post #14
blfr wrote: post #4

There are some good points, and I ask the question of where is the ground breaking stuff myself, but severely weakened by * stretching the timeline: the actual real programming ability appeared in LLMs in the last 6-8 months, not 3-4 years, * using the weakest possible tool: and I bought $10 worth of DeepSeek credits that is a far cry from Claude with Fable. Also, I know nothing about marathons but for most uses putt…

I remember being told in early 2025 that only now has "real programming ability" appeared in LLMs. And since then there's been 3 more "now real programming ability has been made available and previous stuff was just toy examples" cycles (summer 2025, winter 2025 and spring 2026) Looking forward to the next "everything before this was trivial and bad, here's the good stuff" moment

If you haven't been using the latest NanoQwen27B-5.2.10-Turbo-KimiGLM-Pro-10.4 in the past 13 hours, your information on what LLMs can do is outdated and you're falling behind. Check your priors.

Re: AI Can Make You Suck Faster Too

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Post by D13Fd »

terhechte wrote: post #46
reconnecting wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure DeepSeek isn't the point here. You can change the name to whatever you prefer and the article still holds. Actually, I think the author put DeepSeek on purpose to avoid the obvious ChatGPT/Claude comparison — because whatever he chose, there would be a question of why model A and not B, while the point of the article isn't about models comparison at all .

It is the point. Also open source model enthusiast tell you otherwise, there is a coding quality gap between these models. If I use DeepSeek, I do so knowing that I have to limit to simpler tasks on smaller, well specified prompts. What the author did, letting the model do the planning, is not something DeepSeek will excel at. I'm using GPT (Terra, Sol, Luna), Claude (Opus 5, Fable), Qwen 3.8 and GLM 5.3 Flash daily…

Excellent analogy. This paragraph invalidates the entire post and honestly just looks lazy. The author may be right anyway, but with that level of experience with these tools, he is really just guessing.

Re: AI Can Make You Suck Faster Too

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Post by ModernMech »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #18
mikenew wrote: post #9

> The chatbot recommended some of the dumbest shit you could possibly do The "I tried it and it sucked" is borderline conspiratorial at this point. There are enough talented, thoughtful developers saying there's something real here, and it is worth believing them and investing some time to understand it, even if you come out the other side and decide you don't want to use LLMs. Use a very good model. Set up a good ha…

> Don't write it off until you've genuinely seen the upsides. This is ridiculous. Basically you're saying "if you try it and find it sucks, you're wrong, keep at it until you change your mind". That isn't a tool at that point, it's a religion.

No, they're saying there are upsides, even if you think they are small, or think they don't outweigh the downsides, you at least have to be honest about where the utility is.

Re: AI Can Make You Suck Faster Too

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Post by kqr »

sixeyes wrote: post #74
orwin wrote: post #48

I now started to us AI to help review my juniors PRs, because I couldn't keep up with the amount of code they ship. It started poorly, but now I have my method: I first read the code and flag the lines I'm not sure about, then ask any frontier model (I like Claude here for analysis, even if I don't use it for the rest) to explain the PR and to put effort on the parts I flagged (basically explain in detail the code, n…

>I tell them to try to find what part of the code doesn't work before generating the fix this makes me kinda sad. they don't do this on their own? are they not even a little curious

It's a different mindset. Has nothing to do with curiosity.

For me and you, "fixing" something means finding which assumption was violated and redesigning the solution in light of that. Sometimes this means adding code, sometimes it means making the solution smaller.

For a lot of people, "fixing" means adding code to make it work. This always makes the solution larger.

The latter group can still be curious! But they're curious about which addition makes it work, not about their incorrect beliefs.

Re: AI Can Make You Suck Faster Too

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Post by whateveracct »

sriniwasx wrote: post #26

The code smell in my repos are at an all time high and I'm a senior dev, can't image how worse vibe coders have it.

it hasn't even been a year since Opus 4.5 and my work codebase is thoroughly ensloppified. From the top, the assumption is you don't edit it by hand. It was fine at first but hand editing is becoming more and more painful. LLM coding is a cancer in this way.

Re: AI Can Make You Suck Faster Too

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Post by retsibsi »

generic92034 wrote: post #41
dvt wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could make the converse argument, too: why don't you borrow and leverage and bet and short these AI companies, if you so vehemently think it's a bubble? The bottom line is that markets are complicated, useful technologies are often accompanied by bubbles, investors are not always rational, and people generally try to make the best decision with the information they have available. The answer is likely somewhere i…

> You could make the converse argument, too: why don't you borrow and leverage and bet and short these AI companies, if you so vehemently think it's a bubble? Because going long and going short are very different. For successfully shorting something you need to have a pretty precise estimate of when the crash will happen. Being a comparatively short time off can cost you everything.

Yeah, but that applies to the argument in the original comment too. It's supposedly directed at someone who denies we're in an AI bubble, telling them to put their money where their mouth is. But then suddenly they're supposed to risk literally everything they have on "creating a business with infinite growth and value" before their "unlimited" leveraged loans are called in.

Obviously there's some hyperbole there, and I'm not really sure what serious point was being made, but it does seem to depend on the anti-bubble guy having some very confident and specific beliefs...

Re: AI Can Make You Suck Faster Too

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Post by retsibsi »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #18
mikenew wrote: post #9

> The chatbot recommended some of the dumbest shit you could possibly do The "I tried it and it sucked" is borderline conspiratorial at this point. There are enough talented, thoughtful developers saying there's something real here, and it is worth believing them and investing some time to understand it, even if you come out the other side and decide you don't want to use LLMs. Use a very good model. Set up a good ha…

> Don't write it off until you've genuinely seen the upsides. This is ridiculous. Basically you're saying "if you try it and find it sucks, you're wrong, keep at it until you change your mind". That isn't a tool at that point, it's a religion.

Of course you don't need to keep trying until you think it's good. But if you haven't found anything it's good at, and meanwhile lots of smart and seemingly-honest people are saying they've found it to be very good at some things, then it's pretty likely that you really are holding it wrong (and perhaps not even trying to hold it right in the first place).

Re: AI Can Make You Suck Faster Too

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Post by acuozzo »

kqr wrote: post #124
sixeyes wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I tell them to try to find what part of the code doesn't work before generating the fix this makes me kinda sad. they don't do this on their own? are they not even a little curious

It's a different mindset. Has nothing to do with curiosity. For me and you, "fixing" something means finding which assumption was violated and redesigning the solution in light of that. Sometimes this means adding code, sometimes it means making the solution smaller. For a lot of people, "fixing" means adding code to make it work. This always makes the solution larger. The latter group can still be curious! But they'…

> For a lot of people, "fixing" means adding code to make it work.

What if the fix requires deleting a single line of code?

Is the additive fix to enshroud it in if (0) { } ?

Re: AI Can Make You Suck Faster Too

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Post by generic92034 »

retsibsi wrote: post #126
generic92034 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You could make the converse argument, too: why don't you borrow and leverage and bet and short these AI companies, if you so vehemently think it's a bubble? Because going long and going short are very different. For successfully shorting something you need to have a pretty precise estimate of when the crash will happen. Being a comparatively short time off can cost you everything.

Yeah, but that applies to the argument in the original comment too. It's supposedly directed at someone who denies we're in an AI bubble, telling them to put their money where their mouth is. But then suddenly they're supposed to risk literally everything they have on "creating a business with infinite growth and value" before their "unlimited" leveraged loans are called in. Obviously there's some hyperbole there, an…

My point was rather that it is an asymmetric situation from an investment perspective. I am not taking any sides regarding bubble or not.
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