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Re: Konrad Zuse Museum shutting down due to lack of funding

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Post by inglor_cz »

karussell wrote: post #76
inglor_cz wrote: post #24

The problem was probably in the location. Hoyerswerda is a place which does not attract visitors, even the locals left in droves (isn't it the German record holder when it comes to cities losing population?) In Dresden, Leipzig or Berlin, 30.000 visitors a year could have been reached.

I think Hoyerswerda was chosen for a reason: funding money should not always go to the big city and so they thought why not built it where Konrad Zuse went to school? It kind of makes sense...

I get the idea, but it was probably unrealistic to expect that Hoyerswerda would become a pilgrimage location for geeks. It is a real periphery from the point of view of DE, CZ and PL alike, and the museum didn't really do much to let itself known either. 30 thousand visitors yearly is 100 daily, that is quite a lot. You'd need to be known around the entire Central Europe to hope to reach such numbers.

I like exhibitions of this sort and I might have taken the 500 km long trip to see Zuse's museum, if I knew about it. I am only learning now.

Re: Konrad Zuse Museum shutting down due to lack of funding

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Post by karussell »

inglor_cz wrote: post #81
karussell wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Hoyerswerda was chosen for a reason: funding money should not always go to the big city and so they thought why not built it where Konrad Zuse went to school? It kind of makes sense...

I get the idea, but it was probably unrealistic to expect that Hoyerswerda would become a pilgrimage location for geeks. It is a real periphery from the point of view of DE, CZ and PL alike, and the museum didn't really do much to let itself known either. 30 thousand visitors yearly is 100 daily, that is quite a lot. You'd need to be known around the entire Central Europe to hope to reach such numbers. I like exhibit…

From the point of view of PL it is now perfect. Directly connected by Eurocity train but only since a year or so.

> the museum didn't really do much to let itself known either

Sure. But you can only do so much with probably not even a handful people and limited budget...

Re: Konrad Zuse Museum shutting down due to lack of funding

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Post by exceptione »

mattalex wrote: post #72
exceptione wrote: post #27

Maybe we could replace the link with the mdr.de? Heise.de violates GDPR law by using a "pay for play" model. I am sorry for the meta comment but websites like these should be on the black list imho (and it escapes me why the german watch dog is sleeping at the wheel so often).

The reason the German gdpr watchdog is not complaining about Heise is because what they are doing is completely legal: you can still disable the tracking with the "more options" below. Current legal doctrine is that _forcing_ payment (i.e. cash for privacy) is not allowed, that does not mean you cannot offer a subscription that disables tracking: you just have to offer a free option as well, which they do.

Maybe I am misunderstanding something but the cookiewall says:

  Datenverarbeitungen von Werbeanbietern einschl. personalisierter Werbung mit Profilbildung.
  Zustimmung erforderlich für kostenfreie Nutzung
This reads to me like you either pay with cash or your privacy, no?

Re: Konrad Zuse Museum shutting down due to lack of funding

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Post by froh »

fooker wrote: post #45
froh wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

to my understandung this strong "fascist" hypothesis is hypebole. he was member of a conservative student association, however those were prohibited by the Nazis. correct is that he was a conservative engineer who happened to be intelligent and live in that era, and who was lucky enough to work in his domain instead of dying a cannon fodder somewhere. did they build weapons? sure thing. does that make him a convinced…

Where did I mention he was a fascist or a nazi? There's a huge difference between "a conservative engineer who happened to be intelligent and live in that era" and leading a weapons lab attracting enormous amounts of funding, and fantasizing about how computing could be used to advance race science research.

> fantasizing about how computing could be used to advance race science research.

mind to share sources to that part? that's saying "Nazi" btw.

Re: Konrad Zuse Museum shutting down due to lack of funding

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Post by inglor_cz »

karussell wrote: post #82
inglor_cz wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get the idea, but it was probably unrealistic to expect that Hoyerswerda would become a pilgrimage location for geeks. It is a real periphery from the point of view of DE, CZ and PL alike, and the museum didn't really do much to let itself known either. 30 thousand visitors yearly is 100 daily, that is quite a lot. You'd need to be known around the entire Central Europe to hope to reach such numbers. I like exhibit…

From the point of view of PL it is now perfect. Directly connected by Eurocity train but only since a year or so. > the museum didn't really do much to let itself known either Sure. But you can only do so much with probably not even a handful people and limited budget...

The bulk of Polish population is concentrated elsewhere and the closest big cities (Szczecin, Poznan, Wroclaw) are all more than 200 km away. Warsaw or Upper Silesia, with its masses of people, twice as far.

I wouldn't call this perfect...

Re: Konrad Zuse Museum shutting down due to lack of funding

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Post by hommelix »

dirkt wrote: post #46
lb1lf wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny you should mention it, I was aware of the Zuse museum and figured I'd jump on a train next time I was in Berlin to go check it out. (In fairness, I've been thinking this the past four or five times I've gone to Berlin, on the assumption the museum would only get better while I procrastinated...) Anyway, three minutes ago, after reading about the museum's likely fate (sigh!) on HN, I've booked tickets to Berlin…

I had the same idea, but it's already closed for the public starting 1st of September [1] (so tomorrow). Also, this museum is closer to Dresden than to Berlin... [1] https://zuse-computer-museum.com

It's closed, but the planned events are on-going till 31st of December 2026. If there is an event in the list that suits you're agenda, you can still see the museum.

https://zuse-computer-museum.com/angebote/veranstaltungen/

Re: Konrad Zuse Museum shutting down due to lack of funding

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Post by hommelix »

ahartmetz wrote: post #52
trentor wrote: post #7

Location, location, location. It's just in the middle of absolutely nothing. The surrounding has a bit of nature as appeal but it's depression county in regards of everything else.

I think Hoyerswerda is to this day best known for something that happened in the early 90s: Local neo-nazis rioted against and physically attacked some foreign contract workers and asylum seekers while the local police watched and did nothing.

Oh. I know Hoyerswerda from the film Gundermann, not for the neo-nazis.

Re: Konrad Zuse Museum shutting down due to lack of funding

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Post by fooker »

froh wrote: post #84
fooker wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where did I mention he was a fascist or a nazi? There's a huge difference between "a conservative engineer who happened to be intelligent and live in that era" and leading a weapons lab attracting enormous amounts of funding, and fantasizing about how computing could be used to advance race science research.

> fantasizing about how computing could be used to advance race science research. mind to share sources to that part? that's saying "Nazi" btw.

https://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/a-701465.html

https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/article/der-erste-computer-d...

> that's saying "Nazi" btw.

No more than allowing chips on drones makes Nvidia/Intel VPs terrorists, but there's certainly culpability.

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