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i wouldn't want my child making unencrypted calls :p
Doesn't this project go straight into modern standard mobile phone systems? It'll be encrypted then.
RotaryCell: Making an unmodified rotary phone work over LTE with an ESP32-S3
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Re: RotaryCell: Making an unmodified rotary phone work over LTE with an ESP32-S3
#12https://liionwholesale.com/collections/batteries/products/pr...
Re: RotaryCell: Making an unmodified rotary phone work over LTE with an ESP32-S3
#13When I finally agree to cave in and buy a phone for my soon-to-be teenager, little does she know this is the phone I have in mind…
i wouldn't want my child making unencrypted calls :p
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#16For the 21700 cell if you want to do this without spending a lot on batteries, but also be sure that any misconfigured hardware can't drain the battery below a damage threshold, use a button top protected 21700 cell. Here's a good 'house brand' one that is popular with 21700 flashlights. https://liionwholesale.com/collections/batteries/products/pr...
By its nature, MUAVs tend to push batteries to their limits and lifecycles tend to be limited. A battery that does mission X must have a maximum weight and a minimum capacity, and a minimum current spec. If you increase the life cycles, you decrease the maximum performance (range, payload, etc).
When you get into bigger drones, more modest restrictions on mission capability give acceptable tradeoffs, but for MUAVs short cycle life is often seen as an acceptable cost.
Frequently , after a hundred (or often much less) cycles in a MUAV a battery is retired from stressful missions due to significant drops in capability. It’s still fine for other uses, but at 90% it’s no longer sufficient for frontier MUAV applications.
The best choice to keep drones from falling out of the sky is to make sure that your auto land is set to a reasonable battery level (calibration by height if you will be at altitude) and use cell cutoffs at or below the minimum safe voltage if at all. (They are usually set to a few tenths of a volt above the minimum safe, often as much as 500mV.) The final battery voltage should be managed manually and batteries tested if over-discharged.
At least, that’s what prevents the most hardware from falling out of the sky onto people’s heads, sometimes bursting into flame on impact. Usually that is seen as the least desirable outcomes of a battery stress situation.
Re: RotaryCell: Making an unmodified rotary phone work over LTE with an ESP32-S3
#17For the 21700 cell if you want to do this without spending a lot on batteries, but also be sure that any misconfigured hardware can't drain the battery below a damage threshold, use a button top protected 21700 cell. Here's a good 'house brand' one that is popular with 21700 flashlights. https://liionwholesale.com/collections/batteries/products/pr...
Mmmmmmmmmmhhh. Maybe better to damage A battery than to have a drone fall out of the sky? Also most protected cells have modest current capabilities, and might not be enough for many drone applications. By its nature, MUAVs tend to push batteries to their limits and lifecycles tend to be limited. A battery that does mission X must have a maximum weight and a minimum capacity, and a minimum current spec. If you increa…
If we're talking about something that's designed to be re-used then a totally different set of design considerations, as you outline above, become applicable.
> Frequently , after a hundred (or often much less) cycles in a MUAV a battery is retired from stressful missions
Are you talking about lipo pouch cells or li-ion cylindrical? Because if we're talking about state of the art high amp draw rated li ion cylindrical cells, 100 cycles on something that isn't heavily abused for heat and doesn't go below 15% state of charge should not significantly affect its lifespan. But if the batteries are being abused or every last bit of margin on range/payload is needed that it calls for almost "factory fresh" cells, or there's just absurd amounts of DoD money to throw at buying new battery packs, sure, I guess.
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#18Accepting 5V over the RJ-11 jack seems asking for trouble. Someone is going to plug it into a regular phone socket at some point, so it needs to be capable of surviving at least 60VAC. Even if a secondary pair is used, there are so many different wiring standards in use, it'll end up plugged into something live sooner or later.
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#19We have a similarly converted rotary phone at my local astronomy club's observatory, used to receive visitors. It's driven by an arduino if I remember correctly. The main issue is that the sound quality of its built-in speaker is quite poor, especially compared to modern cell phone speakers we're used to nowadays, with a narrow frequency window and frequent echoes.
The Secret Life of Machines TV show has a fun demo of how the speakers in old telephones produce sound https://youtu.be/MCgCSMq5Xpo?si=CT5aOGttBpPk9tEM&t=458
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#20I remember someone building this (couple of years ago) https://skysedge.com/telecom/RUSP/index.html I so wish this was an actual product.