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Re: Smartphone LED detects hidden cameras with AI

#41

I wonder if it works with smart glasses.

this is an old trick and works with any digital camera units. the flash reflects on the silicon behind lens or something. the operator is normally supposed to look across the area of interest through a special glass like a witch doctor to spot cameras using their skill and training, rather than letting an AI do the fun part.

Re: Smartphone LED detects hidden cameras with AI

#42
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People normally do this by scanning a 10mW 832nm laser with a mirror, according to Dan Gelbart in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MtRxX0crjU . The lecture is 77 minutes, covering nonlinear junction detectors, digital calipers, the US-embassy bug in Russia, laser microphones bounced off windows, and geometric errors from material relaxation. The bit about camera detectors is close to the end. Works for eyeballs too.…

For Meta they need to detect people giving wearers the finger to stop the glasses from recording or taking pics ha I do wear my Metas frequently though would never get the finger cause Im not a creep.

Our culture has definitely changed from when Google Glass wearers were referred to as Glassholes.

It appears that more people have just accepted that they will be filmed anywhere and everywhere.

I miss the old days.

Re: Smartphone LED detects hidden cameras with AI

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If this worked with IR, and so non visible, it might be even more useful. Great idea though.

But then you would need an IR camera instead of using the phone's camera. An IR camera should be able to find some hidden cameras passively by detecting a heat source.

There are SWIR, MWIR, and LWIR cameras among IR cameras. SW is just regular camera with the filter removed and they can't see heat. Somewhere between SWIR and MWIR are uncooled IR cameras that use MEMS heat sensor ish arrays built on top of a camera sensor that can actually see heat by differentiating between previous and current frames, with the caveat that they cannot do it indefinitely but must use a mechanical shutter to periodically cool down to operational conditions.

MWIR and LWIR cameras are often cooled and uses more exotic sensing mechanisms, sometimes even vacuum tube based, nowadays usually semiconductor based but not regular CMOS. Some require mechanical shutters obscuring view every other frame(that, I think, is where BHOT/WHOT switch came from; it must be switching whether to show odd or even frames).

You need the MEMS types or better to see heat; they're more often referred to as thermal cameras than IR cameras. They are also unable to see through regular soda-lime glasses, that might pose its own challenge as well.

Re: Smartphone LED detects hidden cameras with AI

#44
Another strategy that's often used is to cause motion then detect the resulting transmission spike. That's also defeatable of course (cache+burst, CBR, etc).

The ideal detector should incorporate multiple methods. Someone should make a site that rates these for each detection method then adds them into an overall score.

Re: Smartphone LED detects hidden cameras with AI

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For Meta they need to detect people giving wearers the finger to stop the glasses from recording or taking pics ha I do wear my Metas frequently though would never get the finger cause Im not a creep.

Our culture has definitely changed from when Google Glass wearers were referred to as Glassholes. It appears that more people have just accepted that they will be filmed anywhere and everywhere. I miss the old days.

We went from opt-in zones to opt-out zones. Living spaces with curtains drawn and the inside of your vehicle should really be opt-in though.

Re: Smartphone LED detects hidden cameras with AI

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People normally do this by scanning a 10mW 832nm laser with a mirror, according to Dan Gelbart in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MtRxX0crjU . The lecture is 77 minutes, covering nonlinear junction detectors, digital calipers, the US-embassy bug in Russia, laser microphones bounced off windows, and geometric errors from material relaxation. The bit about camera detectors is close to the end. Works for eyeballs too.…

For Meta they need to detect people giving wearers the finger to stop the glasses from recording or taking pics ha I do wear my Metas frequently though would never get the finger cause Im not a creep.

> though would never get the finger cause Im not a creep.

Wearing them out in public is definitely enough to get the finger and be called a creep, because many people think they're always recording. I think you're underestimating the hatred of modern tech.

Re: Smartphone LED detects hidden cameras with AI

#50

Can't a thermal camera can do this? It should be able to detect any difference in ambient temp, even a few degrees, and a CMOS sensor gets warm, not to mention any wireless transmitters, power sources, and ICs. Turn off everything in the room and walk around with a ~$100 ali express handheld thermal camera.

LED clocks, alarm motion sensors, bluetooth speakers and whatever other appliances also get a bit warm. How would you tell a legit device from one with a milliwatt camera?
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