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Humanity has the debate about AI consciousness backwards

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Re: Humanity has the debate about AI consciousness backwards

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What do modern LLMs act like then to you?

They act like LLMs. They are unprecedented.

Self referential nonsense. You cannot have something that that is both a model of something and unprecedented.

It'a even in their name, they model language, language is the thing that humans use to communicate, therefore they model communcating humans.

Humans are the precedent.

Re: Humanity has the debate about AI consciousness backwards

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The person who memorized the book doesn’t understand Chinese. In fact they don’t even understand that Chinese isn’t a language. Searle’s response stands.

So you could put this person in a room with a bunch of native Chinese speakers, and he could hold conversations fluently with all of them. Yet you claim he doesn't understand Chinese? How can you possibly defend that? This is very close to "zombie theory" -- everyone else is an automaton except you. Nobody else has real thoughts. That obviously fluent Chinese speaker doesn't really understand Chinese.

You actually think using Google translate in conversation means you understand the language. This is your position.

Re: Humanity has the debate about AI consciousness backwards

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It's almost always about the money. Some studies have shown something as simple as free car seats can influence fertility rates. We know next to nothing about microplastics - pseudoscience can wait at the door.

The car seat thing is about how people don't have kids because they'd need to have a car that can fit 2-3-4 car seats, which is a gigantic, very expensive car. Car seat requirements prevent childbearing != giving people car seats induces childbearing

Family vans are super cheap. You can get a 2024 Pacifica for like $25k.

Anyways, that makes sense. I can see how I got two studies mixed up if that's what I'm actually remembering!

Re: Humanity has the debate about AI consciousness backwards

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post #401

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They act like LLMs. They are unprecedented.

Self referential nonsense. You cannot have something that that is both a model of something and unprecedented. It'a even in their name, they model language, language is the thing that humans use to communicate, therefore they model communcating humans. Humans are the precedent.

We're done here.

Re: Humanity has the debate about AI consciousness backwards

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post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you could put this person in a room with a bunch of native Chinese speakers, and he could hold conversations fluently with all of them. Yet you claim he doesn't understand Chinese? How can you possibly defend that? This is very close to "zombie theory" -- everyone else is an automaton except you. Nobody else has real thoughts. That obviously fluent Chinese speaker doesn't really understand Chinese.

You actually think using Google translate in conversation means you understand the language. This is your position.

You've taken the understanding back out of the person's brain again. Remember, the whole experiment is to try to claim that there is no understanding, anywhere. Yes, I actually think Google Translate basically "understands" Chinese, and any human-relational part that it doesn't fully "understand" it is understood by the human using it. The human plus Google Translate contain a full understanding of Chinese (up to the fidelity of Google Translate).
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