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Cheap GPS jammers are filling the world with navigation dead zones

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Re: Cheap GPS jammers are filling the world with navigation dead zones

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What I want is a tiny portable bluetooth jammer for those who insist everyone in public must be listening to their music. Sadly they are too clunky to haul around each day.

If I am not mistaken, this type of jammer can severily affect people with pacemakers. But, as a Brazilian citizen, I can understand the feeling of being forced to listen other's people music.

Re: Cheap GPS jammers are filling the world with navigation dead zones

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> astronavigation Good luck finding a pilot trained on doing this, or an aircraft with high enough window cutouts that allow for the use of a sextant. Old Boeings had them [1], but no modern aircraft does. I think even among navies you'll be hard pressed to find a navigator who still can do astronavigation. IIRC even the US Navy discontinued astronavigation, but recently-ish reintroduced training for it again. [1] ht…

In the 21st century you don't do astronavigation by hand, you use cameras, computers and software. Astro-inertial guidance is used for example in submarine-launched ballistic missiles. "Astro-inertial guidance, or stellar-inertial guidance, is a sensor fusion-information fusion of inertial guidance and celestial navigation. It is usually employed on submarine-launched ballistic missiles. Unlike silo-based intercontin…

Yeah but good luck getting that approved for new airliner designs, much less retrofitting it into existing airliners. For the older ones, you'd probably need to rework half their computers.

Re: Cheap GPS jammers are filling the world with navigation dead zones

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Whats really sad for aviation is there was already an extensive network of ground based navaids. As GPS has proliferated, they've slowly been decommissioned as they age out to save on cost. I'm specifically referring to VORs which provide azimuth and range to station. GPS is fantastic and as a primary source everyone loves the benefits it brings. However, in a century of aviation, everyone has kinda sorted out that y…

maybe we need to update those giant concrete arrows on the ground...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcontinental_Airway_System

and have giant concrete QR codes

Re: Cheap GPS jammers are filling the world with navigation dead zones

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Starlink can be uses as GPS. Good luck jamming 20 thousand satellites.

That's near orders of magnitude more than reality. The only number that matters is the number of satellites that are in communication line of site. A satellite on the other side of the world doesn't help you.

I wonder how many are in view?

gps is 31 total satellites 12,000 miles up

starlink is 10,000 satellites at ~ 300 miles. (and what orbit?)

EDIT: I found this:

-- starlink:

"In any given place there are 3-4 Starlink satellites visible at a time"

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42445512 :)

in december 2024, there were 4,000 starlink satellites in orbit

so starlink is ~ 8 at all times?

-- GPS:

This 24-slot arrangement ensures users can view at least four satellites from virtually any point on the planet.

- https://www.gps.gov/space-segment

Re: Cheap GPS jammers are filling the world with navigation dead zones

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post #32

What I want is a tiny portable bluetooth jammer for those who insist everyone in public must be listening to their music. Sadly they are too clunky to haul around each day.

how i even make a clunky one ? need one for a neighbor in 3rd world country with lowest civic sense.

i tried that esp32 that uses nRF24 but it doesnt seem to jam all the time. i heard about hackrf one dont know if its can properly do that.

Re: Cheap GPS jammers are filling the world with navigation dead zones

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Whats really sad for aviation is there was already an extensive network of ground based navaids. As GPS has proliferated, they've slowly been decommissioned as they age out to save on cost. I'm specifically referring to VORs which provide azimuth and range to station. GPS is fantastic and as a primary source everyone loves the benefits it brings. However, in a century of aviation, everyone has kinda sorted out that y…

Most pre-GPS navigation systems have shorter baselines than GPS and therefore accuracy is much worse, on top of generally being more complicated

Re: Cheap GPS jammers are filling the world with navigation dead zones

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post #71
post #32

What I want is a tiny portable bluetooth jammer for those who insist everyone in public must be listening to their music. Sadly they are too clunky to haul around each day.

If I am not mistaken, this type of jammer can severily affect people with pacemakers. But, as a Brazilian citizen, I can understand the feeling of being forced to listen other's people music.

its myth youre mistaken because that would mean all the wifi devices and normal bt devices will also stop pacemaker. only early version of pacemaker before internet would be affected modern pacemakers have protection as long as you keep a safe 6 inch distance

Re: Cheap GPS jammers are filling the world with navigation dead zones

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Time was, if you didn't understand how to use VORs, you couldn't really fly. We used them as primary en route nav, as well as for approaches, for many decades. As a CFI I think most of the confusion around VORs these days comes down to poor or inadequate training.

That's fair. I replied to someone else with a similar remark, but essentially doing most of my flying in 70s to 90s prop planes, I imagine the tools I'm most used to are just dated. Your point around training is likely very accurate, I had some great teachers but I also had a few instances of being given inaccurate information and having to teach the teacher so to speak.

I don't fly and I wouldn't call my self someone that plays a lot of flight simulator. But I do enjoy navigation methods and I did learn the basics and practices of VOR navigation. I got an Android app that simulates flying courses, holding patterns etc, but only the navigation part. I would say I learned some intuition to it.
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