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Re: I think the military commissary's freezers were hacked

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Post by simonw »

meliz242 wrote: post #92

Howdy y’all, author here. Just discovered this thread after wondering why Hacker News was a linked views source to my silly little freezergate braindump. Wanted to offer a few clarifications: I’m not a cybersecurity expert; I’m an investigator (in a totally different field), and this was essentially me following a weird thought to see where it went. My background is in natsec so that’s where my mind goes. There have…

I thought this was excellent. It pulled together a whole bunch of interesting evidence, was very careful not to make claims that weren't supported by that evidence, and every time I had a question it answered my question in the next paragraph. Hope you publish more!

Re: I think the military commissary's freezers were hacked

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Post by Terr_ »

mulmen wrote: post #123
wongarsu wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That explains why resupply doesn't work as well as in peace time But at the same time, it's not like that came out of nowhere. If you attack a country, that country shooting back at any military installations in missile range has to be one of the expected outcomes. Given the US had all the initiative in starting the conflict I would have hoped there was a logistics plan that involved not relying on those bases to con…

> Given the US had all the initiative in starting the conflict I would have hoped there was a logistics plan that involved not relying on those bases to continue to exist. Anyone with the capability to plan for the Iran war never would have started it because the costs would have been obvious. In other words the only way to start a war with Iran is to have no plan for it.

> Anyone with the capability to plan for the Iran war never would have started it

Not only that, but it was already that way for ~40 years, where past presidencies all knew and documented why it was a stupid idea, didn't press the stupidity-button, and mostly worked towards better options.

Re: I think the military commissary's freezers were hacked

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Post by wbl »

wongarsu wrote: post #122
ceejayoz wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was supposed to be a base there. The Fifth Fleet base in Bahrain got flattened.

That explains why resupply doesn't work as well as in peace time But at the same time, it's not like that came out of nowhere. If you attack a country, that country shooting back at any military installations in missile range has to be one of the expected outcomes. Given the US had all the initiative in starting the conflict I would have hoped there was a logistics plan that involved not relying on those bases to con…

You'll notice that the aircraft carrier continues sortie generation. What's causing us to lose is failure to achieve victory due to the means employed not the enemy constraining our freedom of action through force. Not to say it's great: it sucks to be on the ship for this, but if Hezbollah murdered 3,000 Americans the shortage wouldn't make the news amid our invading Iran.

Re: I think the military commissary's freezers were hacked

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Post by Gollapalli »

mulmen wrote: post #123
wongarsu wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That explains why resupply doesn't work as well as in peace time But at the same time, it's not like that came out of nowhere. If you attack a country, that country shooting back at any military installations in missile range has to be one of the expected outcomes. Given the US had all the initiative in starting the conflict I would have hoped there was a logistics plan that involved not relying on those bases to con…

> Given the US had all the initiative in starting the conflict I would have hoped there was a logistics plan that involved not relying on those bases to continue to exist. Anyone with the capability to plan for the Iran war never would have started it because the costs would have been obvious. In other words the only way to start a war with Iran is to have no plan for it.

Idk, current president and general staff seemed to be very against it as well. Foreign influence and realized threats of assasination seem to be a factor.

Re: I think the military commissary's freezers were hacked

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Post by thomasjudge »

I think it is worth mentioning that at least a couple of these bases are pretty critical from a natsec standpoint. Fort Huachuca is a big IT and secure communications installation (United States Army Network Enterprise Technology Command, the United States Army Intelligence Center, Intelligence and Electronic Warfare Directorate); F.E. Warren AFB is one of the three AFBs that operate the strategic nuclear ICBM fleet. Not saying that any classified systems were potentially hacked/at risk in this situation

Re: I think the military commissary's freezers were hacked

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Post by ceejayoz »

wbl wrote: post #133
wongarsu wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That explains why resupply doesn't work as well as in peace time But at the same time, it's not like that came out of nowhere. If you attack a country, that country shooting back at any military installations in missile range has to be one of the expected outcomes. Given the US had all the initiative in starting the conflict I would have hoped there was a logistics plan that involved not relying on those bases to con…

You'll notice that the aircraft carrier continues sortie generation. What's causing us to lose is failure to achieve victory due to the means employed not the enemy constraining our freedom of action through force. Not to say it's great: it sucks to be on the ship for this, but if Hezbollah murdered 3,000 Americans the shortage wouldn't make the news amid our invading Iran.

> You'll notice that the aircraft carrier continues sortie generation.

No, it doesn't. It's now in Thailand for R&R, then back to base in the US, because of this issue.

https://apnews.com/article/thailand-singapore-us-aircraft-ca...

> What's causing us to lose is failure to achieve victory due to the means employed…

Right. We're being too restrained. That's some Vietnam War era cope you're huffing.

Re: I think the military commissary's freezers were hacked

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Post by fn-mote »

wbl wrote: post #133
wongarsu wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That explains why resupply doesn't work as well as in peace time But at the same time, it's not like that came out of nowhere. If you attack a country, that country shooting back at any military installations in missile range has to be one of the expected outcomes. Given the US had all the initiative in starting the conflict I would have hoped there was a logistics plan that involved not relying on those bases to con…

You'll notice that the aircraft carrier continues sortie generation. What's causing us to lose is failure to achieve victory due to the means employed not the enemy constraining our freedom of action through force. Not to say it's great: it sucks to be on the ship for this, but if Hezbollah murdered 3,000 Americans the shortage wouldn't make the news amid our invading Iran.

> if Hezbollah murdered 3,000 Americans the shortage wouldn't make the news

??

What does this even mean? It seems to come out of nowhere. Is it a reference to some event??

Re: I think the military commissary's freezers were hacked

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Post by estearum »

Gollapalli wrote: post #134
mulmen wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Given the US had all the initiative in starting the conflict I would have hoped there was a logistics plan that involved not relying on those bases to continue to exist. Anyone with the capability to plan for the Iran war never would have started it because the costs would have been obvious. In other words the only way to start a war with Iran is to have no plan for it.

Idk, current president and general staff seemed to be very against it as well. Foreign influence and realized threats of assasination seem to be a factor.

Mega copium.

All Trump needs is a little dangling of glory and publicity and he'd oink like a pig if he thought it'd earn it. Pathetic creature.

Netanyahu tried the same schtick he's done for 30 years of POTUS's, just now we have someone retarded enough to fall for it and a party that allowed him to be surrounded by sycophants.

You should just admit you voted for a retard and pay your penance to your countrymen and species.

Re: I think the military commissary's freezers were hacked

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Post by ceejayoz »

Gollapalli wrote: post #134
mulmen wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Given the US had all the initiative in starting the conflict I would have hoped there was a logistics plan that involved not relying on those bases to continue to exist. Anyone with the capability to plan for the Iran war never would have started it because the costs would have been obvious. In other words the only way to start a war with Iran is to have no plan for it.

Idk, current president and general staff seemed to be very against it as well. Foreign influence and realized threats of assasination seem to be a factor.

> current president and general staff seemed to be very against it as well

Gosh, if only they could've stopped it!

> Foreign influence and realized threats of assasination seem to be a factor.

The only head of state assassinated in this conflict was Iran's.

Re: I think the military commissary's freezers were hacked

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Post by CobaltFire »

0xWTF wrote: post #129
ericmay wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally agree with your assessment, but in the case of Guam or other more remote installations if there were catastrophic issues we'd just airlift food in. Costly but certainly manageable. Hawaii I'm not sure why that would be an issue unless the whole island was attacked or shut down. Even if the on-base shops were hacked you could just go shop at Wal-Mart or Costco or any number of other locations on the islands.…

Guam freezers and chillers were offline several times the years when I was there. You just didn't get milk, butter, eggs, ice cream, meat, etc those weeks.

Can't recall them going offline island wide when I was there (given there are two on not quite opposite sides of the island). I do recall one having downtime when the other was up and having to deal with that.
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