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Re: No AI Fridays

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It’s funny, I’m the exact opposite. I’ve tackled projects at scales I could never have done before, and learned more than I would have. My actual coding ability is probably lower, but I’ve learned so much about music theory and production, CAD, and statistics. All because my hobby projects can go so much further than before.

Isn't there a risk that this learning is too superficial to actually stay around and impact your thinking in the long run? How I experience it at least, there is no free lunch. Something that gives you knowledge and experience will almost by definition be painful and uncomfortable. We use AI because it is faster, but that speed has a consequence.

Someone else hit on it: a lot this discussion is about whether we as individuals see collection and maintenance of pure knowledge as the goal, or achievement of outcomes.

I’d say both are valid. I’m definitely an outcome person. I like making things. I’m taking a multi-year break from a decades-long CNC ceramics project, and I have no doubt my knowledge and skills will atrophy. That’s fine, I’m confident I can pick them up again if/when I return.

If I fail to work hard enough on understanding the physics of alternate tunings and rely “too much” on AI to produce a piece, I’m ok with that. If and when I hit a wall and AI isn’t giving the results I want, I’ll dive deeper.

Re: No AI Fridays

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Will that knowledge stick? Given that you blasted through many things relatively quick?

As someone in a similar journey, I say: No, the knowledge won't stick. OTOH, the output might stick? Then the question becomes do you value knowledge for its own sake or for what it enables you to do? I don't have an answer.

What an insightful response. I thought about that for a while, and its a great way to reframe some of this debate about the desirability of using AI.

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I got out of tech about 5 years ago, before AI really took off. I still do a lot of personal projects and now never use AI. I tried it a bit (only free plans) but noticed how much it caused me to no longer be able to think through a solution myself. I thought I was learning a lot from it but for some reason whatever I learned from it didn't stick. So now I'm no longer using it at all. I do realize that this is very s…

I really do not get all of y'all claiming this causes you to "not be able to think". I worked on six nines active active payments infra that handled billions in daily transaction volume. I've built laser projection systems to play interactive games on skyscrapers. That ability is not atrophying. I'm able to do 10-20x what I was able to do before AI, and I'm able to work at a breadth, depth, and level of polish that w…

Maybe instead of delving into physics and bio, delve into ethics and empathy.

Re: No AI Fridays

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seeing the decision point is exactly what allows you to prevent bad foundational decisions, you are of course able to see beyond any pre-canned choices

You might think you are above the power of suggestion but I guarantee you are not.

what are you suggesting

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I highly suggest you read about the subject. This isn't the fringe science you're implying. It's a big reason I was diagnosed by my doctor. And it's often treated quite well by taking ADHD medications. “While the estimated 8 million adults in the USA affected by attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) might find it nearly impossible to sit still in a lecture hall or excruciatingly challenging to focus on writ…

Yes, the medicalization of normal human experiences is lamentable. But grant money doesn't appear without diseases for pharma to treat.

Strange take. If it's normal to spend 12 hours not eating staring at a screen trying to solve 1 problem and completely oblivious to the outside world then I guess I don't know many normal people.

Re: No AI Fridays

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The author is a CEO, so I can see why they care that much.

I'm not a CEO. If I don't own the code I write, I couldn't care less. Personal code is another story.

As to learning, are there really any adults offloading learning to AI?

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Yes, the medicalization of normal human experiences is lamentable. But grant money doesn't appear without diseases for pharma to treat.

Strange take. If it's normal to spend 12 hours not eating staring at a screen trying to solve 1 problem and completely oblivious to the outside world then I guess I don't know many normal people.

We'd still be living in caves if there weren't people like that.

Re: No AI Fridays

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Strange take. If it's normal to spend 12 hours not eating staring at a screen trying to solve 1 problem and completely oblivious to the outside world then I guess I don't know many normal people.

We'd still be living in caves if there weren't people like that.

At the same time if it significantly hinders you in everyday life it's nice to have a way to break free of it. I can't take most ADHD medications due to unrelated issues and it's such a shame after hearing / witnessing first hand how much it can genuinely change a person's life for the better.

Re: No AI Fridays

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I've been doing this on my latest personal project. What I've realised I missed the most is feeling in the zone or in a "flow" state as some call it. It really feels amazing. Coding agents take that away from you. I really think we need some coding agent implementation which takes less agency away from programmers and helps people be in the flow even more. For my project I use Gemini/Google's AI mode to great effect.…

Eh, experiences will vary. For me, my zone is conducting things, not typing. Firing something off in twelve tabs and coming back later is precisely how my brain works.

Based on what you’re describing as “your zone”, I would assume you have never experienced the flow state others are talking about. Flow state comes with long stretches of deep, focused work, without context switches or interruptions. This is fundamentally incompatible with what you’re claiming to be “your zone”.

Re: No AI Fridays

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I got out of tech about 5 years ago, before AI really took off. I still do a lot of personal projects and now never use AI. I tried it a bit (only free plans) but noticed how much it caused me to no longer be able to think through a solution myself. I thought I was learning a lot from it but for some reason whatever I learned from it didn't stick. So now I'm no longer using it at all. I do realize that this is very s…

There was a well known phenomenon people called ‘tutorial hell’ where when learning to program you could understand all the code from tutorials, but when it came time to actually create your own solutions for stuff you got stuck. I think AI is basically enabling eternal tutorial hell, you never actually need to break out of it anymore.

The common denominator is cargo cultism. AI coding is really just trying to make cargo cult coding sustainable.
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